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The Reloading Process and Reloading Working Group Proposal 
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what experts want to give a bit of their brazilian know how :lol:

http://time.com/4108421/brazil-u-s-gun-culture/


About as much use as a team of Brazilian specialists advertising their painless waxing services :mrgreen: https://youtu.be/1KEKnd4nKgc


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tac wrote:
EVERY firearms dealer in the UK not only sells factory ammunition, but reloading equipment as well. Reloading means that you actually shoot MORE, not less, so you are always buying bullets, powder, primers and every now and then, cases.

Nobody loses in this deal. True there will always be those who don't reload, but they are always well-outnumbered by those who do.

I reload -


I've been reloading since the late 1960s.

I've NEVER had an 'incident' of any kind.

It all happens in my shed.

The roof is still on it, folks.

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It's not exactly rocket science to help keep the trade turning-over sales or is it.. As regulations currently stand here, vetted and approved registered firearms dealers are already entitled to apply to purchase, collect & transport and hold, reasonable amounts of shooters propellant. To extend the possibilities out further - either by applying to import a small quantity of product, from any number of RFD delighted to sell wholesale to RFDs from across the border or where and when, eventually one or two tip a toe in the water to consider making a purchase from an approved southern importer, licensed to store bulk amounts of mixed propellant.

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NORMAN HARPUR GUN DEALER BASED IN Co.FERMANAGH N.IRELAND ALWAYS STOCKS A RANGE OF RELOADING POWDERS TO SUIT RIFLESHOOTERS,BLACK POWDER SHOOTERS,SHOTGUNNERS,AS WELL AS PRIMERS,HEADS,RELOADING TOOLS ETC.AT PRESENT HAVE A GOOD RANGE OF HOGDEN POWDERS AND SOME VIVATOURI 540,140 ETC.IAM THE NEAREST THING TO AN ONLINE GUN DEALERS IN IRELAND.
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Expert-HSE Guidance on the Storage of explosives
http://www.hse.gov.uk/explosives/licensing/storage/

How much can be kept without a licence (kg net mass)?

Shooter’s powder - Up to 10 kg

Shooters powder, or any hazard type 3 or 4 explosive, or desensitised explosive, which is not a relevant explosive, or a combination of hazard type 3 or 4 explosives, or desensitised explosives, which are not relevant explosives; or
a combination of shooters’ powder and any hazard type 3 or 4 explosives, or desensitised explosives, which are not relevant explosives


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I have consulted in this regard and the advice I have received is that the amount of material involved in reloading is quite small and that in some instances, for some people, the most secure place for them to have this equipment is at home rather than in some business premises.
Former justice minister
Michael McDowell
if reason applied, you would win :shock:

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Wasn't McDowell in the FCA he would have been sufficiently familiar with weapons to not go gunshy on the reloading advice


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McDowell sometimes wore his FCA uniform at these events, driving the lefties - who were opposed to anyone in a uniform - apoplectic. " http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/is-hi ... te-1.25486


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Application of separation distances and regulation 13(6) where the quantity of explosives is greater than 2000 kg :mrgreen:
where regulation 13(4)(c) to (g) applies, or where HSE or ONR uses its discretion to vary the separation distance requirements, HSE or ONR may grant a licence that
includes conditions specifying the separation distances that are to be met.http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l150.pdf


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There is a hugh HSE difference in the storage regulations they issue for licensed factories and licences magazines, manufacturing and storing commercial quantities of mixed explosive and propellant and what RFDs premises do when selling a tub at a time. Max (15kg) worth of shooter's propellant for personal use for anyone licensed for firearms and ammunition - both smokeless and black powder.

The nitrocellulose smokeless propellant allowance store at home, does not require licensing in the UK as the legal amount allocated is quite small.
There are No HSE separation distance requirements for keeping less than aprox (25-30kgs) of mixed propellant- probably sufficient stock for most average town-based RFDs selling shooter's propellant, primers and percussion caps.....http://www.henrykrank.com/index.php?mai ... &cPath=164
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Hen ... 4d-1.65705

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Shooters’ powder
81 When shooters’ powder are kept or stored in domestic premises, a constantly monitored system may not be required.
82 Where the shooters’ powder is:
■■ blackpowder and the enforcing authority is satisfied that the storage place itself has adequate physical resistance to attack, an acceptable standard of alarming would be a system installed to a relevant standard with an external audible sounder;
■■ smokeless powder and the enforcing authority is satisfied that the storage place itself has adequate physical resistance to attack, no alarm would be required

Private individuals acquiring relevant explosives for their own use
134 As noted above, private individuals who acquire and keep explosives other than in connection with their work and solely for their own personal use are not required to keep a record of the relevant explosives. They should however have systems in place to retain sufficient information to be able to report losses under regulation 37

Record keeping and explosives that are not relevant explosives
135 A person acquiring or keeping:
■■ small arms ammunition;
■■ fireworks and most other pyrotechnic articles; or
■■ explosives listed in Schedule 2 to the Regulations;
will not have to keep records meeting the requirement of regulation 35 because those explosives are not relevant explosives. Records should however be kept to ensure compliance with any licence or permission or in order to provide information to the emergency services.

Ask the BASC they know ....http://www.bristolmuzzleloaders.co.uk/M ... _v_3_0.pdf Over the years a great many senior Irish target shooters, would be very familiar with shooting in the UK and at other international events - where RFD storage regulations, permit the selling of propellant, i.e., Fultons of Bisley .... information the FCP should find easy to obtain.
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Registered firearms dealers (RFD) certificates. Shooters, re-enactors and dealers, who register their premises in order to store larger amounts of black powder, will have to pay a fee for their
explosive certificate. In this case, once your premises are registered and you apply for an explosive certificate for black powder at the same time as making an application for a firearm, shotgun or
RFD certificate it will cost £24. It will cost £15 for the renewal of your explosives certificate where the renewal of your firearm, shotgun or RFD certificate is submitted at the same time.
If you have already registered your premises and also have a firearm, shotgun or RFD certificate, but these are not being applied for at the same time, then the fee payable for your explosive
certificate for black powder will be £43. The renewal of your explosive certificate in this case will cost £18
You will still need an RCA document for transfers of explosives (See Section 6).
A flow chart for the above fees is in Annex D

12. How much explosive may be stored once registered?
No more than one of the following;
a. 30kg of any hazard explosive; or
b. 100kg of hazard type 3 explosives; or
c. 100kg of a combination of hazard type 3
explosives with explosives of hazard type 4; or
d. 250kg of hazard type 4 explosives; or
e. 250kg of small arms ammunition and percussion caps (net explosive content including primer content) and 30 kg of shooters’ powder.
NB: ONLY ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES MAY BE ENACTED AT ANY ONE TIME. You may change categories to meet your requirements providing you are holding within the amount and type of
explosive mentioned in one category at any one time. There is no need to notify anybody, you are responsible for ensuring you are within any one of the above categories until you have a need to
change to another. Because of the Hazard Type, the keeping of black powder is only possible in options “a” and “e” above.
Specific security guidance for registered premises can be found on Page 9 (Para’s 54 – 56) of the following document: http://www.hse.gov.uk/explosives/inform ... c12005.pdf
13. Temporary site storage without registration (Game Fairs and re-enactment sites) MSER allows the temporary storage of explosives for limited periods without any need for registration.
100kg of shooters powders (black powder and nitro powder) may be stored for a period of no longer than 3 consecutive days at the place of its intended use.
Separation distances will apply where over 100 grams of Hazard Type 1 powder (black) is stored or both Hazard Type 1 & 3 (black and nitro) powders are stored together and also to Hazard Type
3 (nitro powder) on its own above 25 kilograms. ACoP paragraphs 410 -420 would normally apply i.e. a wooden partitioned box (See annex C)
Small arms ammunition also benefits from a storage exemption providing no more than 250kg (net explosive content) of Hazard Type 4 ammunition is stored for a period of no longer than 3
consecutive days in their place of intended use.


Note: nitrocellulose reloading powders are propellants, they burn than expode and should be handled in a similar way when storing or using domestic accelerants...
The Explosives Regulations 2014
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/en/uksi/2014/1638/made
Explosives Regulations 2014 Bristol City Council
https://www.bristol.gov.uk/documents/20 ... 77797c458f


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2008 - The associations are very concerned with an apparent rowing back on the legislation to allow for the re‐loading of ammunition. This is a very common practise in a great many European countries and while the associations note the reported advice of the AG in relation to this matter, they are not at all convinced that the advice bears close scrutiny. This view is held based on what is common practice in a large number of European countries, noticeably without the “consequences” which seem to concern the AG.
Issued on behalf of:
NARGC – Des Crofton – nargc@iol.ie
IFA Countryside – Bernard Phelan – Bernard.phelan@fbd.ie
SSAI – Declan Cahill – shootingsportsireland@gmail.com
Midlands Shooting Centre – John Paul Craven – jpcraven@eircom.net
Countryside Alliance – Lyall Plant – lyall@caireland.org
NTSA – Joe Kinane – joe.kinane@targetshootingireland.org
Liam Crawford – liam.crawford@targetshootingireland.org
Kealan Symes – kealan.symes@targetshootingireland.org
ICPSA – John McCormack – icpsa@eircom.net
Cian Merne


Firearms Licensing Conference 2008
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A delegate asked if there any possibility when we will go to a situation where the shooter will be licensed rather than the individual firearms.

Garrett Byrne responded: “I don’t know what can happen in five years time. I think our system is evolving and I think anything is possible, but it’s not in the foreseeable future. To get that sort of conceptual level there would have to be somebody who thinks it’s a big enough issue.
We have advantages in having a small enough system and when we look at other countries of larger scales it gets complicated. I don’t know what the trends are in New Zealand and other countries where they have this sort of system. There are different trends in different countries that can be held up by different models, but at the moment it hasn’t really been suggested. I think we need to get through the 2006 Act.”

The Chairperson observed that the legislation in relation to explosives is about to be completely overhauled; there is a heads of bill in the Attorney General’s office, and something will be published in due course. The Garda Commissioner has some very strong views in relation to the reloading of ammunition for handguns and the Minister for Justice has taken on board his views.
A delegate observed that while the army doesn’t use reloaded ammunition that reloading is seen as normal in other countries.
The Chairperson observed that a section of the 2006 Act relates to this but it is unlikely to be implemented, one of the main concerns relating to reloading is the storage of powder etc, and this is backed up by the fact that there has been a resurgence of pipe bombs in Dublin recently. Delegates pointed to the ease with which materials for a pipe bomb could easily be purchased in a supermarket and expressed their dissatisfaction with the negative reaction of Department of Justice officials in relation to reloading.
A delegate noted that reloading is accepted in Australia and in Canada it is considered safe to bring different powders on planes. The Chairperson responded that the job of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform is public safety and security. He noted that if reloading is to be accepted in Ireland the structures must be right. He observed that the main issue is the lackadaisical approach to home storage and a failure of some enthusiasts to appreciate the risks.


The Maltese Arms Act, 2005 - population of 400,000 - was the smaller example for a European country where the [person is licensed rather than the firearm] and where the firearms legislation permit reloading ammunition for rifles, shotguns and handguns.

Handgun and Rifle propellant are different. Handgun powders burn at a much faster rate. Full Bore Rifle Powder is slower burning and not used for reloading handgun ammunition.

[quote: Pipe bombs and the main issue is the lackadaisical approach to home storage and a failure of some enthusiasts to appreciate the risks]

Ever since 2011, the Irish reloading scheme has had no issues. During the troubles in the North of Ireland, reloading was not banned and those licensed for large calibre Black Powder firearms, loaded them with black powder. There was never reported incidents of reloading propellant of any kind, used for the manufacture of pipe or nail bombs, over 30 years.
The individual small quantity of powder, only available to license holders, was never worth the effort of locating where an individual might live in order to steal from their small store of reloading powder.....
A large box of shotgun cartridges contain fast burning powder and might of been an easier source of filler ingredient - if ever such material was useful, at that time - where easy to accuire fireworks containing [black powder] was realistically a more practical source!
Storage concerns are resolved due to the fact quantity is 'quite small', sold in tubs from 1 lb. (0.45 kg) with a total allowance of 15kgs permitted in the UK. The amount can safely be stored at home without the HSE separation regulations applying.
Someone with lackadaisical approach to firearms should have their firearms license revoked, rather than assume the future, where the sport shooting community, can't be trusted to display the proper attude, where certain individuals might blow themselves up [does not happen]...an odd assumption to make at a firearms conference.
It's understandable; the department had little experience of reloading back in 2008 - the experience coming from the sport would of been needed to advise and at that, the expertise may of been limited or not fully up to date with modern regulations and practices for the very best of advice.
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In summary, folks -

If you can be trusted with a live-firing firearm, then you can be trusted with making your own ammunition. After all, if YOU somehow get it all terribly wrong - for whatever reason - it's literally your own head lying on that stock, right?

For whatever reason, and Ireland is by no means the only country in Europe to have had a recent civil war - Spain, Greece, the Balkans et al spring to mind - all having taken place since 1922, and some still in progress when the Good Friday Peace Accord was signed - Ireland, Republic of - is STILL the only country in Europe with such archaic and unnecessary restrictions placed on it law-abiding citizens.

Not only is it stupid, it is devisive at a time when we ALL need to be aiming at the same target - that of making sure that the vultures in Brussels don't make our governments take EVERYTHING away from us.

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there doesn't seem to be any reason for a few let doing it, even 6 year olds understand. whats the deal behind reloading https://youtu.be/xsjSGpFNpIo


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So what's the real purpose, u see a rigged arrangement peddling ridiculous fake news. There comes a time when u don't believe for one second a word of the grown ups :mrgreen:


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Maybe you should ask a suitable FCP expert on the subject for an update on the reloading proposal? Meanwhile the tedious concern on an allusion of controversies dancing on the head of a pin continues. Why anything won't be implement until a final report lasting another 37 years, covering the same cultural literacy conundrums, costing the poor taxpayer billions. It might explain the delay?

For a more realistic outlook, across the border in anyone of the remaining EU states -- just look in wonder at over the counter sales of BLACK POWDER (GUNPOWDER) ( UN Class 1.3 G Explosive) the main ingredient used in fireworks, widely available from supermarkets selling to the EU public...without the paperwork requirement and payment of an Irish health & safety approved license..

Thunder von Weco - 2,99€ bei Lidl
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3 for 20 back garden display
http://www.getreading.co.uk/whats-on/fa ... s-10351352

Black Powder Log Splitting (main ingredient used in fireworks & pipe-bombs)
https://youtu.be/XG8y5sPOFGM


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