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You need to be sat down.


19 Mar 2018 12:45

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I assume proof the expert committee can't ignore facts or they might well suggest Elvis faked his own death :mrgreen:

19 Mar 2018 22:08
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What about unenforced law that is usually ignored at Halloween?
The FCP had years to report on the 2014 review of firearms, to include, their review proposal for expanding on the 2011 pilot scheme that granted reloading ammunition at one specific authorised range in Ireland. To think so many young people disregard the law on fireworks, loaded with a charge of black powder, an explosive - that they ignore it without fear, because generally, it is not enforced. Meanwhile south of the border, safe smokeless propellant, remains out of reach to the majority of already vetted and approved licensed members of the shooting community. What is the use having sporting representatives that take four years to deliver on an advancement for upgrading the old gunpower explosive act of 1875.

"Emergency services impacted by rise in illegal fireworks"

Morning Ireland RTE Radio 1 - 22/10/2018 ... fireworks/

Interview with Newry Fireworks Specialist, just a few feet over the border in northern Ireland. Thomas McKevitt, who owns the Firework Specialist store in Newry, said the laws in Ireland are leading to sales on the black market. Under Part 6 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006, which amended the Explosives Act 1875, the Gardaí have the power to make arrests in relation to possession of unlicensed fireworks.

Ireland, quote:"It is the only country in Europe that doesn't sell fireworks over the counter. It is totally ridiculous. They have criminalised them for no apparent reason."

'Illegal trade trade in fireworks in Ireland are growing by the year that saw the largest amount of firework seizures in five years occurred in 2017. Ireland has some of the most restrictive fireworks laws across the EU, yet the illegal trade is booming'

According to the firework specialiasts, black market fireworks in southern Ireland can be stored loose in back garden sheds. This can cause the black powder in the firework to become damp, effecting ignition with the possibility of premature detonation from the powder drying unevenly. He called for firework specialists to be able to sell tested fireworks that comply with the relevant CE mark that show that the firework meets European safety standards, which all fireworks must meet, similar to how N.Ireland's, dep of justice explosive branch, issue an 'outdoor fireworks license' to members of the 'general public', rather than see the illegal trade in fireworks keep growing from imported non-CE marked sources that can be dangerous to use.

In Ireland Fireworks in all categories other than indoor fireworks are more dangerous and can only be used by professional operators in organised displays, not by the general public. These fireworks include rockets, roman candles and aerial wheels. If you want to organise a display of this type of fireworks, you must use a professional fireworks operator.

Bangers are not in Category F1 and it is illegal for the general public to import, possess or use them.


The Explosives (Fireworks) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2002 as amended by the Pyrotechnic Articles (Safety) Regulations 2015 ... icence.pdf

Application for a licence to purchase, possess and use Category F2 fireworks (outdoor fireworks!)

Explanatory Notes
Please read these notes carefully and retain them for your information
• A licence is not required if you want to purchase, possess and use fireworks classified under category F1 (suitable for indoor use) or sparklers classified under Category F2 (suitable for use in the average garden). You must have a licence before you can purchase, possess and use any other type of fireworks – that is, those classified under categories F2, F3 or F4 of Schedule 1 of the Pyrotechnic Articles (Safety) Regulations 2015. There is a separate application form for category F3 and F4 fireworks.
• The applicant is normally the person purchasing, possessing and using the fireworks.
• The licence is only valid for the period stated on it.
• We will not normally issue a licence for fireworks to be used between 11pm and 7am

Where the number of persons at your fireworks display will be:
• Fewer than 100, the fee is £30.
• 100 or more but fewer than 1000, the fee is £80.
• More than 1000, the fee is £160.

22 Oct 2018 13:04
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Post Re: Reloading with Rosie.....
they arguing again over who made the mess in the kitchen, either go big or go home :lol:

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06 Nov 2018 23:15

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Understand wer ur cumim from : It depends on who's driving the implementation and whether they're guided by sidekicks feathering their nest opposed to sharing it with Rosie :mrgreen:

02 Jan 2019 17:51
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she's the man, cant get of enough of a good thing :shock:

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Can't get enough ammo. In case of supply chain postponement place orders on time before Brexit day 29 March, 2019 :mrgreen: ... asting.pdf

18 Jan 2019 14:01
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bunny shooter wrote:
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............Meanwhile, the FCP play their cards close to their chests for tactical reasons most likely. The list of concerns included on the agenda are proposals for the wider availability of reloading, with the prospect of WTO trade deals being applied in the near future, it would be a practical consideration for the representatives to consider wisely!

Are you saying reloading is currently being discussed by FCP?

Considering the current reloading situation and that the same "players" are on the FCP, who are mostly commercial entities, I do not expect it to be any major advantage to ordinary shooters unless the shooting groups on FCP can make money from us above & beyond the actual costs e.g. spurious courses & memberships ! Being somewhat blunt, there are likely to be some who will once again ensure they have a monopoly on whatever, if anything, above what's there already, is/might be allowed !

We are going to be gouged on prices for all our equipment regardless off any actual rise in purchase costs and the excuse will be "Brexit".........................

If it is not already discussed then it ought to be whenever the FCP become engaged again with the process ?

Reloading has been on the agenda long before the 2014 review. It is an integral part of the ongoing rolling review that make specific reference to the '2009 lacuna in the law' and to do with reloading imperative to make an amendment to the Explosives Act 1875!

Back in 2014, the concerns of An Garda Síochána regarding public safety, and that of certain types of legal firearms was brought to the attention of the Department of Justice and Equality Working Group on Review of Firearms Licensing Report of November 2014

This has long since past the urgency test.

Since 2015 the FCP were partially grounded except for protracted spells of reported infighting and goings-on between various representative groups. Any small progressive steps needed to develop sport shooting never manage to evolve past the narrow gaze of commercial interests. As ever the actual real concern are for the arsenal of illegally imported high-powered military grade weapons widely available to wealthy criminal gangs.

An amendment to the Explosives Act 1875 which allows for the reloading of ammunition in specific circumstances is also recommended. ... Report.pdf

This provision is now being introduced to address a lacuna in the law where provisions in the Criminal Justice Act 2006 to allow for the reloading of ammunition were repealed (without being commenced) in the Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009.

No provision was made in 2009 for simultaneous clarification of the existing provisions in the Explosives Act 1875 which permit individuals to legally keep or store a large quantity of gunpowder (30 lbs) for private use without an application for a licence for registration from the local authority.

1. Concerns of An Garda Síochána regarding public safety, and the following firearms:
A- centre-fire handguns
B- rim-fire handguns
C- semi-automatic centre-fire rifles
D- semi-automatic shotguns

2. Current legislative provisions of concern with particular reference to:
A- Restricted Firearms Statutory Instruments (SI’s) SI 21 of 2008 and SI 337 of 2009
B- District Court appeals of refused licence applications
C- Restrictions on handguns announced in 2008 and partial ban on
handguns implemented in 2009
D- Grounds to grant/refuse an application for a firearms certificate,
and the appeal mechanism
E. Provisions governing persons disentitled to hold a firearms

A provision in relation to the reloading of ammunition was also examined.

Proposals to enable Ireland to give effect to the UN Firearms Protocol are also recommended (UN Protocol Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking In Firearms, Their Parts and Components and Ammunition), as are the repeal of certain provisions of the Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009.

3. A Communication of 21 October 2013 from the European Commission to the Council and the European Parliament, entitled; Firearms and the internal security of the EU: protecting citizens and disrupting illegal trafficking.

4. Legislative provisions in other jurisdictions including the UK.
5. Legal advices from 2009 to 2014.
6. Discussions with the National Association of Sporting Rifle and Pistol Clubs (NASRPC) the National Association of Regional Game Councils (NARGC) and the National Target Shooting Association (NTSA).

Key issues raised in written communications from interest groups, including submissions issued jointly by the NARGC, NASRPC, the Irish Firearms Dealers Association, the Range Operators Association of Ireland and other groups.

Correspondence received from the Long Range Rifle Association,
Countryside Alliance Ireland and the Wild Deer Association of Ireland.

7. Garda system of delegated authority, advisory roles and the Garda
Commissioner’s Guidelines as to the Practical Application and Operation of the Firearms Acts, 1925-2009.

Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality díospóireacht -
Dé Céadaoin, 21 Ean 2015 ... 5-01-21/2/

In light of public safety concerns highlighted by An Garda Síochána, a joint Department of Justice and Equality/An Garda Síochána Working Group was established by the Department of Justice and Equality to review firearms licensing.

The report of this Working Group was published on 13 November 2014 and submissions on the report were sought from stakeholders and the public by 31 January 2015.

The consultation process gave individuals and groups an opportunity to contribute to the development of firearms policy and legislation and will enable consideration to be given to the future direction of such legislation.

Mr. Damien Hannigan secretary of the Wild Deer Association of Ireland.

If we look to other examples of firearms legislation, we can receive guidance on what is effective for both the responsible sporting shooters and public safety. Northern Ireland has some of the strictest gun licensing laws but the use of handguns and the reloading of ammunition in a private residence are licensed without negative consequences for public safety or an increase in criminal activity.

The Explosives Act 1875 is currently being updated ?

05 Feb 2019 21:56
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