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Firearms and Licensing 2013-2019 
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Post Re: Firearms and Licensing 2013-2014
Rayfn wrote:
What's the world coming to where someone was given 300 to store the Mac 10 sub ­machine gun and ammo then she placed the gun and ammunition in the bin as as she was “sick of it being in the house” http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local ... -1-6582481


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Ray, confiscating firearms from civilian hands vanished uk gun crime. London gun crime went up a staggering 42%, so how is the battle against that black market working out :mrgreen: http://www.freedompost.uk/gun-hoard-sei ... -violence/


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Post Re: Firearms and Licensing 2013-2017
tell us about confiscating and suffering dictatorship killing civilians. Socialista presidento Nicolas Maduro giving guns to upwards of 400,000 of his supporters in the country with the largest oil reserves in the world. http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... pposition/
The law has prevented most civilians from keeping firearms, though they are readily available on the black market, and criminals are known to be well-armed. Caracas is the world’s deadliest peacetime city, with shootings a regular occurrence nationwide. In prisons, inmates often keep firearms and, in one notable incident, made a cell phone video showing off an arsenal of weapons to honor a dead thug
http://americanuestra.com/ogrady-cubas- ... venezuela/ https://youtu.be/THPe3D69vJ0


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Post Re: Firearms and Licensing 2013-2014
Backstop Benny wrote:


"How Modern Intellectuals Misshape Our Society" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX45hc0aZt0

https://youtu.be/qmXzGI0XP7M


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SMLE 303 wrote:
Rayfn wrote:
What's the world coming to where someone was given 300 to store the Mac 10 sub ­machine gun and ammo then she placed the gun and ammunition in the bin as as she was “sick of it being in the house” http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local ... -1-6582481


Ray

Ray, confiscating firearms from civilian hands vanished uk gun crime. London gun crime went up a staggering 42%, so how is the battle against that black market working out :mrgreen: http://www.freedompost.uk/gun-hoard-sei ... -violence/


http://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/02/2 ... se-423657/

machine guns


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/g ... 36889.html

Since it was established in March 2015, DOCB has seized 68 firearms, including

36 handguns,

six machine guns,

seven assault and
two other rifles,

and 10 stun guns.



and the cartridge in a pear tree :roll:


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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.2074517

:roll: paled in comparison to an estimated 150,000 illegally-imported weapons currently in circulation.
Licensing records show there are over 200,000 legal firearms owned by some 100,000 people in Ireland, most of which are used for sporting events and pest extermination.


26 Dec 2017 13:03
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Post Re: Firearms and Licensing 2013-2017
It is illegal for any civilian to use, carry or possess a firearm or ammunition without a valid firearm certificate -
"It has been estimated that as many as 150,000 unregistered firearms might also be in private possession in Ireland" - GunPolicy.org / see- 'Short References'
Heirlooms and hand-me-downs, leftover arms, dating from Irish independence / civil war period and Lee Enfield .303s issued to army reserve units during the emergency 1939 to 1945 and during the period 1946–1959: - rural units of An Forsa kept their rifles at home with five rounds of ammunition . . . Two Dublin units, the North County Dublin and South County Dublin battalions, were considered rural . . .
and it was quite common to see these rural people cycling with a rifle across their backs to their local parade.’There was no doubting the enthusiasm of the FCA men who had not ‘joined for the boots’.
http://www.historyireland.com/20th-cent ... the-fca-4/


War trophies and bringbacks weapons scattered over the battlefields of Europe from the time of the Napoleonic Wars, have a long history of local hoarding arms in attics, basements or kept on display in private homes. Remain still to this day, going mostly undeclared to firearm licensing departments.
Typical example: Mr Orth said the man has a "a certain fondness for particular things", adding: "Some people like steam trains, others like tanks.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rmany.html


Review of firearms licensing (2014) at the transparent in public, submission sessions at the Justice Committee 21st January 2015 – the same 'ongoing event' with no sign of the review reaching its conclusion.....to do with 'small number' of semi-automatic firearms and for the reloading of ammunition, made more widely available to others, than remain at the tried and tested 7 year old 2011- reloading pilot scheme....without one single reported incident...what greater evidence that this result do representatives at the FCP require in the effort towards developing all types of sport shooting in Ireland.?

View below, a few good men with the onerous task of defending rights of an estimated 100,000 Irish firearm owners and their 200,000 'individually licensed firearms' – most being 177,000 shotguns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0woLszM4ts Session 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63lUaKnGOc


26 Dec 2017 17:24
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Post Re: Firearms and Licensing 2013-2017
Tanks a lot, fantastic bit of kit. Trying not to go negative over the xmas but was their representative body standing up for the rights of ordinary shooters :roll:

https://mises.org/blog/gun-control-fail ... and-canada

The truth is law abiding citizens that legally purchase big time guns just don't use them in crimes (mostly because the subset of people is horribly unlikely to commit violent crimes in the first place). And I have NEVER heard of (nor could I find) a single case where there was a crime of passion, or even a home accident death, in the last 50 years involving a tank, missile launcher, vulcan cannon, or the like. Yet there are large numbers of those owned. (I know two people in particular that have fully functional tanks, one is even a Sherman). They're fun to drive at a ranch. And by large I mean large to what people would expect.
You can actually by tanks directly from the military in surplus sales. As you can F-14s and even shoulder mounted rocket launchers. I even have one aviation fanatic client that has a few bombers in his possession, as well as a warthog. As far as I know there are exactly zero crimes that have been committed by US Civilians that own large scale military hardware.
I spent some time last night trying to find an instance where even a high grade machine gun was used by a "non-typical" criminal (as in not in a robbery, by a repeat offender, in drug or gang activity) -- so your crimes of passion, home accidents, etc. I couldn't find one. Not one (and even if one or two are found, that's hardly statistically significant). And the one or two stories of "nine year old kills instructor at gun range with fully automatic uzi" is not evidence of this point. That could just as easily have happened with ANY gun. The problem is giving a nine year old a loaded firearm and then not paying attention to what they do with it.
The problem that anti-gun advocates of any form (whether your in favor of partial bans, full bans, or bans of certain items) is that there is exactly zero evidence showing, conclusively, that such a stance results in a reduction in fatalities. There are many other factors that just have higher impacts -- race, education, socioeconomic status, past criminal history, etc.
As to your last point, that "a tank is just unnecessary" is a position where my pseudo libertarian/Austrian economics side comes through. You're now making judgments for someone else and their happiness. Which you have zero right to do unless the person is certifiably unable to care for themselves or if my happiness results in ACTUAL damage to you (not as in it hurts your feelings).
Maybe getting up every morning and sitting in my tank makes me blissfully happy. 


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Post Re: Firearms and Licensing 2013-2017
Bad news. The damp squib treatment equally exist for tank representation....here the imposition of Irish VRT on the engine size on imported vehicles is applied, before vat, then added / double tax. It is another serious barrier to jump that also can be said, goes against the spirit of EU recommendations, i.e., calibre obstacle applied to rifled barreled firearms over .308" - classified restricted.
The exception maybe to import modern battle tanks such as the Abrams M1A2 + 120mm 'smooth bore' cannon - ( big musket) the stabilised projectiles reach ‎4,000 meters effective range‎, although, armor piercing, fin stabilized, discarding sabot projectiles - are prohibited, under the firearms act. :roll:

http://www.thejournal.ie/vrt-cross-bord ... 3-Mar2017/


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Post Re: Firearms and Licensing 2013-2018
8:36 / 11:08 https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/prime ... /10825895/

" illegal arms industry collect in store warehouse. 15 guns of all shapes and sizes part the elaborate sophisticated supply network"


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Post Re: Firearms and Licensing 2013-2018
regulations driving gun dealers out of business https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.3577318
It said the industry was worth tens of millions in sales and employs hundreds of people. However, the number of gun dealers has significantly reduced from 840 in the late 1990s to just 263 currently.


CRIME IN IRELAND
PAUL REYNOLDS http://www.ceifin.com/resources/paper/P ... entRTE.pdf

e. With millions to be made its not surprising that criminals, particularly those involved in the drug trade, arm themselves to the teeth to protect their empires.
The drug trade has provided a conduit for the arms trade as the guns are smuggled in with the consignments. The drug trade has provided a market for the arms dealer because the drug dealers need guns. And the drug trade has not only increased the access to, the availability of and the amount of guns on the streets, it has also increased the variety and lethal capacity of these weapons.
Once upon a time criminals used only sawn off shotguns. They still do, but now they also use assault rifles and military weapons, Uzi sub machine guns and pistols. It is not an exaggeration to say the criminals are better armed that the Gardai and the Army. The favoured weapon among Dublin criminals at the moment is the Glock semiautomatic pistol, a weapon which the Gardai have sought to use and is only issued to a select few units such as the Emergency Response Unit.
f. With the increase in and increasing use of firearms, particularly by young men high on Cocaine, comes also a consequent disregard for human life. Well-armed criminals with massive drug empires to protect have no qualms about shooting and killing people who get in their way. The variety and quantity of drugs these young people use, along with perhaps the way we as a society have ultimately failed these people, has dulled their consciences and anaesthetised their emotions as well as their brains. They have become dehumanised, at least for the short time it takes them to raise a gun, point it at another person’s head and blow their brains out

guns are smuggled in with the consignments

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Post Re: Firearms and Licensing 2013-2018
wtf submachine guns :shock: 2018-2016

gardai find submachine gun and huge haul of drugs in search made in farmland in Co Clare

mp7 submachine gun found in Dublin city centre

submachine gun and four handguns found in backpack in dublin

man who went on cocaine-fuelled rampage armed with submachine gun in citywest shopping center

cocaine and sub-machine gun seized in dublin apartment

cocaine was in excess of €300,000 at an apartment in castleknock, a sub-machine gun and ammunition were recovered

cocaine, cannabis, mdma and heroin, as well sub-machine gun and ammunition in finglas garda raid

machine guns and handguns found in car in cabra

three men charged in possession of handguns and sub machine gun


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At least 18 killed in Ireland's deadliest gang feud https://www.virginmediatelevision.ie/pl ... liest-Feud
The biggest wholesaler of drugs for Ireland sourcing massive drug shipments and guns from Colombian, Spanish and north African

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•Just let me underline that crime and terrorism are mainly linked to social, economic and / or political factors and that the introduction of unjustified restrictions on the legal possession of sporting firearms will do very little to fight them.
Reliable statistics demonstrate that virtually all crimes are committed with illegal firearms. Countries like France and Austria, with fairly liberal firearms legislations, or the Nordic nations and Switzerland, with the highest rates of private ownership of firearms in the industrialised world, have no more problems than countries with a disproportionate obsession with "0 risk" on firearms, like the Netherlands or the UK. The 1997 UK ban on handguns has for instance not prevented a steady increase in that country of the criminal use of illegal ones since then. As I said at the beginning, hunters are not part of the problem.

Dr Yves LECOCQ, Secretary-General FACE


Spent millions buying his own huge container ship. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-n ... d-10069147
The ship can go all over the world stuffed with drugs and guns but also carries legitimate cargo products too


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Post Re: Reloading with Rosie.....
Now comes the hard part dealing with team members that don't get along
http://www.sportscoalition.org/wp-conte ... 181018.pdf


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A lot of history that would take years to explain...

What happened to the 2014 review of firearms that the FCP took so long to resume the engagement with the DoJ years late.
The speed of progress is at a glacial pace, deliberate so, perhaps to ensure representatives put to one side their long lasting simmering tensions.
In the intervening four years it should be remembered the review was about certain legislative proposals, to do with handguns, certain types of semi-automatic shotguns and rifles. And, DoJ working group proposal for an update to the explosive act 1875. To allow rational changes for wider access for license holders to reload centerfire ammunition, contrary to the claim made by one of the delegates, that ' they are all at it' / words to that effect.

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Quote: NARGC (2017)

There were 21 persons sitting around the FCP table, representing 14 organisations, but it was astonishing that so few of them represented or advanced the position of the ordinary Hunting / Shooting / Gun Club person.
In fact quite a bit of what is proposed shows a distinct lack of understanding of the countryside, and the interventions that are necessary to maintain a healthy balance of nature.

The only other groups present that supported our stance in relation to the reality of country life were the IFA, Countryside Alliance and the Wild Deer Association.

This does nothing to advanced the position of the ordinary Hunter / Shooting / Gun Club person.


Does this imply agendas going on in the background. It appears the NARGC no longer maintain a 'healthy balance of care' for rifle and pistol, when considering their long history associated with defending license holders and cover for thousands game shooters to include cover for members of rifle and pistol clubs.


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It's the same old boys club reserving the right to appoint golden circles to the same positions :mrgreen:


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The DoJ could not fail but notice garda commissioner Harris was former deputy chief constable of the PSNI with an understanding of centralised firearm licensing across six counties. The regime known for the single (FAC) firearm certificate covering multiple firearms with minium allowance of 1,000 rounds of ammunition, all part of the policing service. It also grants reloading at home for all first time applicants.
The now Garda Commissioner might recommend it as a model service for reforming the remaining grey areas in the 2009 legislation.

North of Ireland Chief Constable's Guidelines include for example: "Zeroing might also include training and testing whether on a rifle range or other suitable land".

'Standard rifle calibres, blackpowder and classic calibres' over .308" /7.62mm are non-restricted calibres (cat.c/d) across the EU...


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Ask the person that suggested it and why reloading is restricted to only on one range in Ireland and how the biggest range happened to be on bord na mona land and who his cousin worked for.


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who says reloading was restricted to only on one range in ireland


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Why should other ranges somehow find themselves blocked when attempting to apply.....?


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