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Post Firearms and Licensing 2013-2017
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rowa2 wrote:
Incidently i was talking to a fellow club member a while ago and it transpired that the acting chief super we had last year was the one who wrote the so called guidelines, this is also the chief super who told me he knew nothing at all about firearms !


Why am I not totally amazed at this comment?

It is evident almost every time I read a post here or on another forum. THAT is why the UK police authority employ full-time civilian Firearms Enquiries Officers with wide-ranging experience of all aspects of shooting sports, to make the correct decision for them. Three such FEO's are members of the same gun club as me, although one that I don't know has to act as 'my' FEO at the five-year renewal times, as he might otherwise show signs of 'bias' in my favour. Not, of course, that such a thing would ever happen here due to the way that the Firearms and Explosives Licensing system actually works, and it does work. There are over 19,000 gun licenses in my county alone - a rural place if ever there was one.

Such a person as you have mentioned MUST have his own agenda/opinion that is carried on into the advice he gives, much of which, as far as I can see, ist total s***e.

tac


The Minister has invited interested parties to make submissions  http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PR14000321
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ever hear of Ivan R. Dee bull,The Burden of Bad Ideas: How Modern Intellectuals Misshape Our Society :roll:

The 1997 first tranche prohibition of handguns in the UK had unintended consequences; so much so, that the black market is now awash with handguns and worse they are in the wrong hands and
used in crime.

16 Did the ban achieve the U.K Governments’ declared goal of a safer community?
No. Implementing the ban cost in excess of GBP £80 million ‘paid in compensation and the cost of the confiscation scheme to police and government cost tens of millions more’.

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Of the UK government ban, English firearm specialist, Greenwood said; ‘(t)he only possible conclusion is that the handgun ban was a complete and pathetic irrelevance to protecting the British

‘Gun Crime Soars in England Where Guns Are Banned’, http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/12/11/gun-
crime-soars-in-england-where-guns-are-banned-n1464528

Colin Greenwood ‘Evaluating Britain’s handgun ban’ in Australian Shooter, 2008.
http://www.ssaa.org.au/research/2008/20 ... n-ban.html


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Gardai may be forced to use private firms with serving summons or even issuing firearms licences if gardai were confronted with stringent cutbacks in the future
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ga ... 90857.html

Speaking at a health conference at NUI, Galway yesterday, Mr O'Cualain stressed that despite citizen expectations and an increase in criminality, the ongoing austerity measures meant that cost reduction was a priority.

"Prioritisation of our responsibilities in the future may have to be carried out, especially if financial and human resources are to be lowered.

"Our rising expectations will be driven by factors such as the accelerating pace of technological change, transparency and accountability, growing consumer demand, value for money and cost effectiveness.

"Many of our responsibilities may have to be divested. Areas like the service of summonses, warrants, collections of fines, lost property and firearms licensing could potentially be carried out by other agencies such as private security firms, trained civilian staff and, in some cases, local authorities," he said.

Mr O'Cualain pointed out that the more than €3bn in cuts applied to the health service represented twice the current garda budget.

He added that gardai "needed to do more with less in the future".



What do you lads think of that idea

Ray

Well said Assistant Garda Commissioner Donall O'Cualain ;)
About time firearms licensing responsibilities was divested to civilian staff


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Have to agree with Rayfn. quote- "single updated code on firearms to fight gun crime" as distinct from firearms laws that are- "too reactionary" applied for the already vetted & licensed (by the police), having a history of using firearms safely. The majority of license holders have had over decades past, maintained their un-blemished record of licensing, concourring with what the then MEP said.
What she said then holds as true today, in 2014, as it did at the launch of the new firearms act in 2009. The MEP called for action on what many observers considered the mounting problem of Gun Crime - that is, the use of illegal firearms imported by criminal into the state.
"Nessa Childers" The Independent Ireland East MEP- daughter of the fourth President of Ireland, Erskine Childers. His father Robert Erskine Childers, famous Howth Mauser Gun Runner into Ireland, from Germany (Black Powder -11mm Mauser/.45 )
http://www.nessachilders.ie/news/
There is under Irish law a function for a suitable 'qualified person' to conduct an inquiry and report back to the minister of the day. The qualified person with respect, would do their best at consulting the wider shooting community, should any element of it discover, they were implicated for change, once that process got underway.
Firearms licensing at its core, best opperates from a centralised address[s], run by specially trained staff in firearms licensing. Many including the NARGC, has previously called for a centralised system and request it yet again they did back in 2012. " This is the only vehicle which is capable of ensuring future legal challenges will be rare..... "which comprises the three pillars of the Department of Justice, the Garda Siochana and the Shooting community with independent oversight. "It is also the model used in almost all EU countries where there is no comparable litigation list as has occurred in Ireland." .....In the interests of minimising financial exposure for the taxpayer in the future, they also requested the minister establishes a non-judicial appeals system, a system which the Association had previously urged on the Minister’s predecessors.




"This new system is a logistical nightmare which does not recognise the outstanding record of those who have legally held firearms in this country in the past. "IFA Countryside has been inundated with complaints from worried members who are seriously considering abandoning the sport altogether," he said. "I am not in favour, however, of measures purportedly introduced to tackle crime being used instead to put legitimate sports clubs out of business."

There is under Irish law a function for a suitable 'qualified person' to conduct an inquiry and report back to the minister of the day. The qualified person with respect, would do their best at consulting the wider shooting community, should any element of it discover, they were implicated for change, once that process got underway.

I wonder where you find the qualified person postal address
Ray FN


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Qualified person? They would need a good grounding in sporting firearms to consider taking on that task. An international expert perhaps or closer, someone on the same island of Ireland.

Northern Ireland firearms review of 2002, under an FOI release, has a text book example of a complete comprehensive review of firearms licensing.
The large number of handguns licensed north of the border for target shooting purposes and for self-protection was examined in full as an integral part of what the review was set-up to explore.
The Chief Constable of the PSNI in his closing evidence, stated he was satisfied with the regulations, however he did not in conclusion, consider fundamental changes to the firearms act was needed. In the intervening twelve years since the review took place, public safety has been maintained without any noteworthy amendments deemed necessary.
Meanwhile, south of the border, in and around the same time frame, a similar full exploration of the firearms laws took place.
The Bar Tribunal, Firearms Consultative panel, conferences, invited international expert speakers assisted in the launching of the new firearms act 2009.

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N.Ieland
Review of the Firearms Law: guidance to the police 2002: list of organisations contacted for comment
Updated 3 October 2013
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... or-comment


Examination of Witnesses (Questions 420 - 439)
WEDNESDAY 11 DECEMBER 2002 
MS JANE MORRICE, MS ANGELA COURTNEY OBE AND MR CHRIS LYTTLE 
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-of ... 121104.htm

MEMORANDA INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF EVIDENCE 

Volume II Submitted 

1. Mr Colin Greenwood 

2. Mr Colin Greenwood, Supplementary memorandum 

3. Gun Trade Association Northern Ireland 

4. Gun Trade Association Northern Ireland, Supplementary memorandum 

5. Ulster Rifle Association 

6. Ulster Rifle Association, Supplementary memorandum 

7. British Association for Shooting and Conservation 

8. British Association for Shooting and Conservation, Supplementary memorandum 

9. Countryside Alliance in Northern Ireland 

10. Countryside Alliance in Northern Ireland, Supplementary memorandum 

11. Shooting Sports Trust and the Gun Trade Association Ltd 

12. Gun Trade Association, Supplementary memorandum 

13. National Small-bore Rifle Association and the National Rifle Association 



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Rayfn wrote:
I wonder where you find the qualified person
Ray FN

lookin for a chair rayfn :roll:
expert
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deja vu
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Roger F. Weedon Firearms Licensing Manager Surrey Police http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 673859.stm
Dr Yves LECOCQ viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1752

We are also delighted to have two international speakers with us here today to give us their views and perspectives on particular issues of interest. So a special welcome to Dr Yves LeCocq from FACE and to Roger Weedon from Surrey Police.
Today is also about a healing process, ‘reframing relationships’ and moving on. The title is borrowed from the evaluation of a mediation programme, something I was involved with previously and it is very relevant here today. As we move towards the more sophisticated licensing system as envisaged by the 2006 Act I think there is far more to be gained by working collaboratively than by working against each other. I am struck by the passion that people have brought to this area and their willingness to contribute to finding solutions.

People are obviously the most important part of any system. The organisations which represent them are vital in bridging the gap between what the Civil Servant ‘thinks’ the legislation says and happens, and the reality on the ground. The follow-through and implementation are issues where we will need to focus on as the entire licensing system moves forward.
The applicant has to put their best case forward; they have to tell us and they have to give us somewhere to start.


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Yes Minister :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA


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The UK to this day license Black Powder Percussion Revolvers, .22 caliber LBP's and Long Barreled .357 Magnum Revolvers, essentially the same handgun banned after Dunblane, except the barrel must exceed a proscribed length in order to comply with the law. Initially a number of police forces raised concerns to the effect, LBR's would end-up falling into criminal hands, who would then have the barrel length altered. Such a fear appear to have largely not materialised.
The North of Ireland never placed a ban on handguns, as far as the Chief Constable was concerned, the north's system of licensing firearms, was one of the best in the world.
A total ban on all handguns to include small .22 caliber pistols, would see Ireland become perhaps the only country in Europe, with one of the lowest number of firearms licensed per 100 of the population (3/4 being 177,000 shotguns) going to the extreme length of banning handguns with little evidence showing, licensed handguns are stolen for illegal purposes to any great extent.

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PS - mine is the Ruger Super Redhawk with the Burris scope...top silver scope, that is. The other one belongs to the club secy - we cannot shoot each other's guns, even though they are identical.



For those of you with concerns that these fiascos of guns might fall into the hands of criminals with hacksaws at the ready - a few points to ponder.



1. Who knows who has one? Ranges in the UK are NOT open to casual visitors who want to take a peek at the activities there.



2. Have you seen the price of these things? No self-respecting criminal would pay £1500 for a gun like mine when he can 'find' a Glock or a Makarov behind his local pub.



3. Anyhow, actually having one of these things is not as easy as you imagine. All the usual rules still apply, and although you cannot prophesy who is going to go loopy and run amok with one, nor can you do that with any other firearm that is legally owned here. That's why the application form for an FAC requires you to give details of your doctor, so the FEO or police can check if you are an incipient wacko. Remember, too, that nobody shoots alone in the UK - any sign of deviant behaviour is very quickly noticed on a range full of eagle-eyed RCOs and your shooting buddies. Last year I got an older shooter to sit down after he started looking odd at the firing point. Ten minutes later he had a mild stroke. Luckily for him we had already called the emergency services on the strength of his more obvious symptoms - look up stroke F A S T if you don't know what they are .



4. So what do we use them for? Well, here on mainland UK the LBR has taken the place of many different kinds of shooting previously done with conventional handguns - we do what we can with what we are allowed to have. Nobody else but the license holder for that particular gun can shoot it. AAMOF, the single shot Free pistol used in the Olympic 50m match CAN be legally owned here on the mainland as the NRA persuaded three continental European makers to incorporate certain counter-balance devices into their designs to make them legal here. However, the discipline is VERY much an elitist element of the sport, and I doubt that more than a dozen or so have ever been bought - certainly not for fun, at around £2000 a pop. We can have a variety of .22 things - semi-auto pistols in fact, with ten round magazines - the Low Mills version of the Colt M1911A1, as well as the GSG version, the Browning Buckmark and the horre ndously expensive Volquartsen - £2500 to you, Squire. Also we can have single-shot centre-fire like the Drulov-actioned Competitor, or the Thompson contender in any calibre - up to and including .50cal AE or even the revolver cartridge, the .500 Smith & Wesson. Cimmarron Arms makes a Colt Peacemaker look-alike in any calibre you choose that can fit into the cylinder, but at £3000 or so there aren't that many of THEM around, either.
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Republic of Ireland- Shotguns and .22 caliber Rifles account for the majority of firearms. Overall their numbers remained static over generations, against an expanding growth of population.
Stalking calibers after 30 years of a temporary custody order, once again became available to license for obvious reasons. Annually some 5,000 stalking permits are issued to visiting hunters and to the indigenous Irish stalker most of whom being persons that were already previously licensed for firearms continuously over decades. Without a blemish on their character.

The 26 counties population is slightly less than 4.6 million with a firearm possession rate of aprox 5.6 private guns per 100 population. A well below average number of firearms ownership by European standards of one-third the rate of 17.4 firearms per 100 people across the European Union.

Uniquely the Republic of Ireland does not license the actual firearms holder directly for the possession of firearms. Approximately 230,000 firearms have an individual licenses issued for each gun. Sporting Shotguns accounting for largest figure of 177,000 licenses. Approximately 50,000 rifle are licensed with the majority being, small caliber bolt-action rifles, most of which are used by hunters.

All centrefire handguns were grandfathered after 2009 with no new licences available.



Northern Ireland -the six counties has a population of 1.8 million. 59,585 Licence Holders Possessing 153,459 legally held firearms almost double that of the republic of Irelands rate of possession.
The average age of gun owners is 53 years of age. 20-30 years of age - account for less than 2,000 licenses!
Centrefire handguns are licensed. Practical & Dynamic shooting - allowed.
Combined Shooting sports in the North are estimated to generate £45 million.

If the Republic ever achieved similar firearm possession rates to that of Northern Ireland, let alone, an average of EU rate of 17.4 – it seems reasonable to assume, the 26 counties would see an increase of 50% - taking the current 5.6 private guns per 100 population into account to 11.2 per 100 people. That's an estimated increase of between 460,0000-500,000 privately held guns. It would still lag well behind the EU average of 17.4 guns. It does however confirm the exaggerated past claims of private gun ownership here evolving into an American style gun culture, with a gun under every pillow. Considering the majority of firearms in the republic are Long Guns- therefore by extention- an understanding other-half is a must.. in reality, almost all legally held firearms ( except for single farmers shotgun) must be kept safe where they belong in the first place.


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Very droll, the perfect balanced sample :mrgreen:
Nice young lady comes up to you
Mr Murphy
Are you worried about the number of shootings. yes
Do you think it's wrong to oppose laws on crime. yes
Are you worried about the growth of armaments. yes
Would you consider banning guns. yes
Do you think there's a danger licensing people guns. yes


Nice young lady comes up to you
Mr Murphy
Do you think people need an activity in their lives. yes
Would you worry if the government proposed banning hunting and shooting. yes
Do you respond well to a challenge. yes
Would you think the police adequately check the background of people they license for firearm. yes
Are you in favor of introducing a ban for a proposal that was pointless. yes


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There are worrying rumours that the ags want any rifle with a calibre over .243 gone too, if so that would mean most if not all of the old milsurps held in the republic (me arse) would be unlicenceable. Already on some other forums i notice the "eff you jack i'm alright" attitude is in evidence. Maybe if you gave up your sport i could keep mine :roll: .


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All hands on deck rowa. In that regard, VCRAI members have worked flat-out, contacting, mailing and speaking on behalf of all the sport-where it counts.
Good to find you back on the forum, btw, all issues addressed in a forthright manner, not less than two hours ago ;)
Never fear, it ain't over till the fat lady sings.


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Thanks for that blackadder, i gave up here for a while as it got a bit too quiet and i felt i was talking to myself at times. Glad to be back posting etc.

Back on topic, the new commissioner noirin o'sullivan, isn't good news for us as she was a pupil of callinan, and i would imagine picked up some of his ways. In tonights evening paper both the GRA and AGSI have said they are delighted with her appointment, so the rank and file cannot be too afraid of her implementing reform.


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somehow i doubt 8500 farmers wont be all delighted if she lifts shotguns

rayfn


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I'll bet though that the vast majority of farmers use single and double barrel shotguns. Most of the farmers i know have grotty old baikal single barrels , used to wallop the odd fox worrying sheep. The AGS know this and have not mentioned an restrictions on this type of gun. The IFA are too big an organisation for the gardai or the government to upset.


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I wouldnt put it past them to put both feet in manure

ray


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I wouldnt put it past them to put both feet in manure

ray


Meanwhile Sweden is witnessing an unprecedented growth in the popularity of guns!
It's a funny old world that we live, whatever next - pigs fly and reloading becoming a reality for Irish citizens in possession of a suitable firearms license.
The European Commission in early 2013 launched a European-wide consultation entitled - “A common approach to reducing the harm caused by criminal use of firearms in the EU”.
The consultation involved completing an online questionnaire with multiple choice questions that had proposed a way of tackling the harm caused by criminal use of firearms, by imposing further restrictions on law abiding citizens of Europe that are vetted and approved for licensed firearms to include, EU 4 Categories (B) Firearms for the possession of semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and handguns. That proposal ended shot-down in flames and widely rejected across Europe.

Back in Sweden the home country of Commissioner Cecilia Malmström of the Swedish Liberal Peoples Party. The capital city of Stockholm- "is witnessing an unprecedented growth in the popularity of guns and shooting and at one pistol range in Stockholm (The Target) Amnebring said more and more women are also coming to range. Last year “45 percent of customers were women.”
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The range is also a popular stop for bachelor parties and CEOs who come “to relax.”

http://vimeo.com/9267696

http://www.thetarget.se/index.php?pageid=4

"Customers who visit The Target can choose between shooting “.44 Magnums, Sig Sauers, Glocks… Walther PPKs, and Colt 1911s."


http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... -gun-club/


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What's the world coming to where someone was given 300 to store the Mac 10 sub ­machine gun and ammo then she placed the gun and ammunition in the bin as as she was “sick of it being in the house” http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local ... -1-6582481


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In the north guns in private hands is regarded as a legislative decision so rules the same for everyone. The litigation problems licensing a gun in the south stems in sorts to a policy on a firearm at your local police station :mrgreen:


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Further consultation with relevant stakeholders will take place when I have considered the report and before any decisions are finalised in relation to proposals for change to the firearms licensing system. I will decide on the nature of the consultation and what meetings are appropriate at the time I am considering the report.


Beyond question a sisyphean task alright, agreement, or acceptance, on the nature of the consultation :?:

TIA

A sisyphean task on the nature of the consultation -
and relevant today as it was back then during the Firearms licensing: the wider dimensions Conference
Mullingar Park Hotel, Mullingar 2008




Relevant extracts



Just let me underline that crime and terrorism are mainly linked to social, economic and / or political factors and that the introduction of unjustified restrictions on the legal possession of sporting firearms will do very little to fight them.
Reliable statistics demonstrate that virtually all crimes are committed with illegal firearms. Countries like France and Austria, with fairly liberal firearms legislations, or the Nordic nations and Switzerland, with the highest rates of private ownership of firearms in the industrialised world, have no more problems than countries with a disproportionate obsession with "0 risk" on firearms, like the Netherlands or the UK. The 1997 UK ban on handguns has for instance not prevented a steady increase in that country of the criminal use of illegal ones since then. As I said at the beginning, hunters are not part of the problem.

Dr Yves LECOCQ, Secretary-General FACE


•ISSF pistol
there is no self respecting criminal anywhere that would be seen dead with an ISSF pistol because by the time he has wrapped his hand around the grip and before he has fired the single shot someone would have dispatched him. They are the most awkward pieces of equipment, excellent for what they are designed for and I’m sure that people who have used them have had magnificent target scores but, you wouldn’t want to be using it for self-defence or for committing crime. I have also been advising on the Olympics...
You may also recall that in 1997 in England there was a general election. The Conservatives were coming up for re-election and Labour were pushing them very hard at the time. The end result was that the conservatives made a pledge to ban all large calibre handguns (anything more than a .22). Labour felt that they had to go one step further and they pledged to ban both large calibre and small calibre handguns. Labour was voted in and as they say the rest is history.

Roger Weedon-- Divisional Commander Chief Superintendent Surrey Police


Firearms Safety and Crime Prevention Issues

Category C – Pistols and Revolvers
Firearms holders should possess a firearms cabinet of approved specification (BS 7558 or higher) in a concealed area within the dwelling and secured to a solid wall or floor.
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They should have a lockable storage compartment within the cabinet for ammunition or, alternatively, ammunition should be stored in a separate secure location.
The external doors and windows of the dwelling must be in good condition. Doors should be fitted with 5-lever mortise deadlocks and/or equivalent. Sliding patio doors should be fitted with anti-lifting devices. Accessible windows must be appropriately secured.
The dwelling must be protected with an intruder alarm system (to EN 50131 standard) and connected to a recognised approved monitoring centre to IS 228 standard.
The firearms cabinet must be protected on a 24-hour alarm zone.
The above recommendations reflect good practice in the area of firearm security and are intended to prevent or reduce incidents of death or injury to the public and to prevent the use of legally held firearms in crime. I think it’s a great idea that every effort is being made to introduce young people to the sport. Young people are absolutely led by example, and we would urge you that the example that you give in relation to how much importance you place on security and storing firearms will impact on yourself, but will certainly impact on the younger people that are coming in to the sport. So for that reason also we would urge you to take this very seriously.
When one considers the annual number of legally held licensed firearms related fatalities combined with the number of licensed firearms which fall into the hands of criminals each year it is felt that these levels of security are reasonable and appropriate.

Inspector Gerry Carroll, Crime Prevention Unit, An Garda Síochána



A delegate noted that under the Criminal Justice Act 2006 it is illegal to target shoot on an unauthorised range, however, there is no definition of what target shooting is, nor is there a definition of what constitutes a range in Ireland, and this is causing problems.
Delegates noted that there is a danger of regulating too much and trying to fix things that aren’t broken and that are working quite well.



Finally, a delegate commented that Mr. Weedons’ contribution was extremely invaluable as was Mr Lecocq’s, but he wondered why they aren’t looking at the Northern Ireland model for Ireland, licensing which works very well. If we can learn from the Canadians etc, we should also be looking at the Northern Ireland experience and learning from that.


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somehow i doubt 8500 farmers wont be all delighted if she lifts shotguns
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lift what, find the one legal one :shock:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/hi ... 39592.html
capital has the lowest level of legal firearm ownership in Ireland with just 1% of the population having a firearms certificate :evil:


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he wondered why they aren’t looking at the Northern Ireland model for Ireland, licensing which works very well. If we can learn from the Canadians etc, we should also be looking at the Northern Ireland experience and learning from that.


Why not look at the Swiss experience?
https://youtu.be/XQcl6ymmA_Y

http://www.amusingplanet.com/2016/11/th ... d-has.html

https://youtu.be/o8mYNxnQSIc

Europe's best-armed and Neutral Nation - where they don't do, behind the scenes review of firearms and reloading (semi-auto) lasting 3.5 years - steering off 'course' from the original remit, without sight of an expiring date..

Switzerland: Population 8,179,294

Compulsory military service.

Private gun ownership for all conscripts living up to a local adage: “Switzerland does not have an army. It is an army.”
217,000 military personnel
140,000 active
120,000 receiving periodic military training
77,000 reservists who have completed military training

Swiss gun culture
29 guns per 100 of the population
2 million registered sport guns
175,000 target shooters spread across 3000 clubs
Almost every Swiss community has a village 300 meter rifle shooting range.
Children as young as 10 years of age belong to sport shooting groups in their local communities, where they learn firearms marksmanship.

Irish gun culture
The 26 counties authorised (2) 300 y/m (1) 1200 yard ranges - since the return of impounded centerfire firearms.


Northern Ireland's 6 counties:
Authorised (new) 300 m target range - 2017
Total (3) authorised 300 meter ranges (1) 600 yards
Club access, at low cost (2) military ranges with 300 / 600 yards


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