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Irish Military Ranges 
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Post Re: Kilcoran Military Range Tipperary / Irish Army Mk3 Bren
A great find there, Lester, especially as the lads here remember firing one like it with great affection, and so recently. The last time I fired a BREN was on my D&D course back in 1978, and then only as an exercise on how to run a range with a LMG.

The range looks like heaven to me, BTW. What a terrible waste of extant resources that would be. The PTB have their collective heads stuck firmly and irretrievabably up their arses, as usual.

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Post Re: Kilcoran Military Range Tipperary / Irish Army Mk3 Bren
Slots in here nicely

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Post Re: Kilcoran Military Range Tipperary / Irish Army Mk3 Bren
Lovely gun Lester, fits well into your collection.

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Post Re: Irish Military Ranges
bunny shooter wrote:
If DOD were willing to sell & you had approx. €50,000 to buy it............would local Super want a civvie range in his area? (note: if it's Cahir district ............. forget it I reckon :roll: ) would range inspector sanction it as a range?

At €250 per member, per annum, if you had 200 members ............... in year one you'd cover purchase costs 8-)

I will just add the hotel 'next door' have been cribbing about the noise AFAIK :(



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What an absolutely beautifully-situated range that is. It's very reminicent of one that I shoot on in Washington State. All that's needed are a couple of dozen eagles flying overhead, and a few 10,000 ft mountains in the background...............sigh.

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Post Re: Kilcoran Military Range Tipperary / Irish Army Mk3 Bren
hotel 'next door' have been cribbing about the noise AFAIK :(
GPMG a noisy hoor next to the neighbours
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Post Re: Irish Military Ranges
https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2016-05-04a.301 Former rifle range lands Kilcoran Tipperary 13 Tipperary due to re open May 2016 following completion of engineering works


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Post Re: Irish Military Ranges
And, the reinstatement of firing range in Oranmore, Co. Galway!
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Post Re: Irish Military Ranges
rowa2 wrote:
It would be a crying shame to demolish or let that range become overgrown and forgotten. Has anyone contacted the local td or the local council ? Might be worth a bash.


Yup, got to know most local Tds in our constituency. Again recently at a function there was the opportunity of an introduction for an informal conversation with the minister for foreign affairs and trade, Simon Coveney TD
It was mentioned to him that in the recent past, the shooting group I am with - supported an attempt by another interested party looking for access to one of our military ranges.
It was pointed out to our minister for foreign affairs - it is very best practice 'across the EU' for limited civilian access for approved military ranges - also, reassuring for him to know, "we are the most law abiding vetted citizens" by An Garda Síochána.
He was then told of this detailed proposal sent to the former minister for justice Alan Shatter and our now current Taoiseach Leo Varadkar - then minister Transport, Tourism & Sport.
Minister Coveney became interested to learn both ministers had absolutely no concerns with vintage & classic rifle shooting to the extent, both ministers came back with very positive responses, supporting the idea for having a vintage rifle match...must love the old guns... mauser and enfield - pity one was restricted for no good reason - FCP

To return to the submission. Former minister for justice sought to have a cost benefit analysis done for the leasing of this DoD military range over a long weekend. I believe the figures were supplied and the event was to have generated a large income, from the amount of international interest shown for holding this type of competition in Ireland - past history of the creedmoor...

The actual finical gain for the state, so I believe, was substantially and above expectations for the application to be forwarded to the Commandant - on reflection, he turned the application down, citing the number of perimeter soldiers needed to ensure security over the weekend.

Unfortunately due to division within the sport - the possibility of another attempt - should be limited and something for the FCP to consider lending support in achieving new results for the ordinary Irish sport shooter...
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Post Re: Irish Military Ranges
Thanks for that, BA.

A couple of question though....

1. 'The actual finical gain for the state, so I believe, was substantially and above expectations for the application to be forwarded to the Commandant - on reflection, he turned the application down, citing the number of perimeter soldiers needed to ensure security over the weekend.

What does that mean? A range out in the middle of nowhere needs 'security'? Who do they expect? The PIRA? Martians? Who is going to 'invade' a range where the only kind of guns in use were in service before the founding of the state?

As for 'security', here in yUK we manage a 1500m long, 200m wide range - Barton Road - with two people - guarding the bridle path at the back so that passing horses don't get the wind up from the bangs.

2. Do I see a couple of Sharps rifles there? JK and his .45-70 and A N Other? How does getting to own THAT calibre work out in the Republic?

tac

PS - on second thoughts, who in their right mind is going to try and rob a bunch of guys with rifles?


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None of the above. A military range on the east coast by the sea... :roll:

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The camp Commandant possibly feared interested public spectators making an incursion by beach. Unlikely all the same for a first international rifle competition to draw an audience on the scale that came to watch the Dollymount Strand Creedmoor rifle match of 1875

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Air Firing Range AND AIR DEFENCE ARTILLERY FIRING EXERCISES 
The Department of Transport publishes an exclusion zone comprising the lands of Gormanston Aerodrome itself and the air and sea areas within a radius of three nautical miles centered on the field with an additional area contained within a segment centered on the field and bearing of 015 degrees true, through Mosney Railway Station and 106 degrees true, through Gormanston Railway Station seawards for a distance of 10 nautical miles. Live firing will not commence until the danger area is clear and the officer in charge of the range gives permission to commence firing runs.



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VS :roll:
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Anyone arriving on a MoD range to shoot must have with them and produce their Certificate of Competence for inspection and recording by the range officials. Those arriving without will not be permitted to shoot unless they agree to be under direct one-to-one supervision.

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5. Eligibility. To be eligible to use a MoD land range, a civilian club must apply for a MoD Licence - DIO Form 5665. Additionally, they must: a. Be approved by the Home Office for the calibre of firearms they intend to use on MoD ranges and must be able to produce written confirmation from the Home Office to that effect. (Application for the Secretary of State or Scottish Ministers’ approval is made on Form 124, which is available from any of the principal NGBs). Approval is granted in a Letter of Approval, which is sent to the applicant and copied to the Chief Officer of Police. b. Be affiliated to the appropriate NGB at paragraph 3 above and must be able to produce written confirmation that its affiliation fees are paid. c. Provide evidence of valid insurance cover (see paragraph 7 below). d. Be able to provide a NGB qualified Range Conducting Officer (RCO) for each range to be used who is competent on the calibre of weapon and proposed activity to be conducted. The RAU is to hold a list of current RCOs together with their expiry date and a list of weapons they are qualified to conduct practices for (for further detail see paragraph 20). e. Ensure that Full Members possess and are able to produce valid membership cards confirming their Club Chairman’s certification of their competence on their individual weapon type. This is managed at Club Level but is validated, assured and supervised by the NGB who define the processes to be used to issue the Certificates of Competence. A number of disciplines carry the same descriptive but it is the calibre that dictates which NGB is responsible for the specific discipline when issuing Certificates of Competence. f. Ensure that any Probationary Members are supervised on a one-to-one at all times by either a Full Member of the club who is authorised by the Chairman of the club or by a NGB trained and certified instructor or coach. g. Adhere to the Safe Shooting System (SSS),for full bore shooting which is detailed at Annex A. This SSS has been adopted by the MoD as best practice for full bore shooting on MoD Ranges. 6. Licence to use MoD Range – DIO Form 5665. NMOs wishing to use a MoD land range should apply to the appropriate RAU for a Licence for the range(s) they wish to use. Application for a MoD Licence is made on the Form at Annex A. The RAU should be consulted regarding any special requirements that may need to be included in the Licence. The RAU is to ensure that any Licences they issue are copied to their regional office. 7. Indemnity and Insurance. The MoD must be fully indemnified against all damage to the premises and claims from third parties for personal injury or death resulting from the licensee's use of a range. In addition to the signed indemnity contained in the licence, DIO Form 5665, it is necessary that the NMO provides evidence of insurance cover to support the indemnity. The insurance cover required to meet third party claims will be a minimum of £5M per incident and be unlimited as to the total number of incidents it covers. 8. Payment. NMOs will be required to pay for the use of MoD land ranges. Charges will be set by the MoD in agreement with the RAU. 9. Weapon Restrictions. Use of Non-Service Pattern Weapons and ammunition which are not within the parameters laid down in the relevant range MoD Form 904 will not be permitted. Civilian clubs are not permitted to use any automatic weapon system on MoD land ranges. 10. Ammunition Restrictions. All Civilian clubs that use hand loaded ammunition are to ensure that it falls within the parameters for use on MoD ranges. Civilian clubs are not permitted to fire tracer ammunition. 11. Priority. At all times the use of MoD land ranges by civilian clubs is to be subject to the requirements of the Services (which includes Reserve Forces and Cadets on duty) and Police Forces on official marksmanship or tactical training, all of which take priority. 12. Conditions of Use. It is essential that NMOs observe the safety regulations and procedures, which are required by the Range SO for use of the range, including the adoption of any `clear RDA procedure'. In particular, the following points are to be noted: a. If a range is covered by Military Byelaws, NMOs using the range cannot enforce the byelaws by means of either arrest or removal if an individual enters the danger area either inadvertently or deliberately.
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Dissemination 28. In due course, the contents of this policy letter will be incorporated into Reference A. In the meantime, the policy is effective from the issue of this letter. 29. Duty holders represented on the DLRSC are requested to cascade the policy and guidance in this letter through their chains of command to all Range Authorising Officers and Range Administering Units likely to be affected by it. This policy letter will also be distributed to all holders of Reference A through the Defence Munitions Centre and will be placed on the Defence Intranet/Internet website for viewing alongside JSP 403.

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