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"I shall not last long; my life is forfeit, but I shall do my best. After I am gone it will be easier for others." General Michael Collins
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General Collins, in my opinion, is one of Ireland greatest patriots.
The words of General Collins are sounds of Irish History.



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SMLE - that's a good link for anyone interested in the life & times of Michael Collins. Many of our members served the state as members of the Defence forces and have an interest in its history.

http://generalmichaelcollins.com/pages/ ... icles.html


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.......Bill Tyson....Irish independent Aug 22nd. 2002

Michael Collins devoted his life to honouring Ireland but Ireland has never properly honoured him.

For 17 years, his remains lay in a simple plot in Glasnevin cemetary. In 1935, one of his former comrades, who had become a millionaire through the Hospital Sweepstakes bought a quarter of a ton of marble and both he and Collins family fought for four years for permission to erect a simple cross on it.

Then Taoiseach Eamon de Valera finally relented but with a number of stipulations. The cross was not to be of marble but limestone and not cost more than £300. There was no publicty, a simple inscription in Irish would be approved by de Valera and only one relative or friend, Collins brother Johnie, was allowed to be present at the blessing ceremony.

The blessing was attended by Johnie, a priest, an altarboy, the foreman gravedigger and a gravedigger who happened to be passing at the time. The latter had attended Collin’s grave since 1922 and, shocked at the absence of press coverage, asked a passing tourist to take a picture.


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....again in 2013, the former minister for justice Michael McDowell, introduced @1:1900, giving a talk at the Michael Collins 22 Society in Cavan.
http://youtu.be/puj4WY9kAEk

Liam Neeson Unveiling The Michael Collins Statue
http://youtu.be/MKNQnLgQQ_E

Wanted Man
http://youtu.be/_8FFZYJ_hts
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Speaking there in cavan was a grandniece of Michael Collins, Nora Owen, she too was a minister for justice ;)


http://generalmichaelcollins.com/Confer ... _Owen.html


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'It is my considered opinion that in the fullness of time history will record the greatness of Michael Collins and it will be recorded at my expense.'

Comment in 1966, quoted in Michael Collins : A Biography (1990) by Tim Pat Coogan, p. 432.

Eamon De valera was not fit to sharpen Michael Collin's pencils. MY opinion.

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De valera was an expert in getting other people to do his dirty work for him, imho of course. Sadly when you look at todays politicians and so called public representatives, for which countless generations of irishmen and women sacrificied their lives for us to have, its appears that the me feiner gombeen men have won, and the selflessness and honour of the men of 1916 has been insulted.

http://youtu.be/1tilVepQjko

http://youtu.be/z0_dvFcteSQ


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The Anglo-Irish Treaty

http://sarasmichaelcollinssite.com/the_ ... ish_treaty


"Whenever I think of politics, I think of the false air which is a part of most politicians. However much he may blind the public, and even himself, into thinking that he is for party and country, it does not blind me into thinking the same way. To be a politician one needs to keep tongue in cheek for all the day and most of the night; one needs to have the ability to say one thing and mean another; one needs to be abnormally successful at the 'art' of twisting the truth. Can you wonder that I think and think yet never manage to achieve peace of mind? In my time I have told men and women what I thought of them. I've cursed them - and they understand me all the more for it. But what can one say to a politician? Knowing it is more possible that one's words will be taken out of context, twisted and warped, shaped into a lie and be flung back into my teeth. I do not in the least care for the false atmosphere of these discussions."


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If i could just re-recommend the film in the link below again. It was one i linked to yesterday, and is called "The life and death of Michael Collins". Its long (1hr 16mins) and was made and presented by Welsh actor Kenneth Griffiths, who you will remember as the (very camp) doctor in the film "The wild geese" about the adventure of a gang of mercenaries rescuing a president in Africa.

This film contains many interesting facts, such as, it was Lieutenant-General Arthur Ernest Percival, who ordered the Collins family home in Co.Cork to be burnt to the ground and the inhabitants to be brutally treated as they escaped the house, it was this "gentleman" who also surrendered to the japanese at the fall of singapore.

I watched this film in its entirety last night and found it very informative and fascinating , it was also banned and Griffiths took the ban to court to have the film screened. Well worth a watch.

http://youtu.be/1tilVepQjko


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On this date in 1922 Michael Collins arrived in Dublin Castle to receive the handover of the Castle on behalf of the new Irish Free State Government. Lord Lieutenant FitzAlan is reported to have said, "You are seven minutes late Mr. Collins" to which he received the reply "We've been waiting over seven hundred years, you can have the extra seven minutes".
The Dublin playwright Séan O' Casey, described how FitzAlan handed over Dublin Castle and seemed to be doing it as if in a dream: "here's the key to the throne room, and this one's the key of St. Patrick's Hall, my good man".


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I bet if Michael Collins knew how the country was to turn out he would have told the Lord Lieutenant FitzAlan to keep the castle along with the seven minutes

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Michael Collins at Arthur Griffith's Funeral


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Michael Collins - Ireland's Greatest (Documentary)

http://youtu.be/vV2gzXhz8o8


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Michael Collins is killed in an ambush by Anti-Treaty forces in Co. Cork. He was thirty one years old.

This is the last known photograph of Collins alive and was taken as he made his way through Bandon, Cork. The photo was taken outside Lee's Hotel (now Munster Arms), he is in the back left of the car.

On the road to Bandon, Collins's column stopped to ask directions. The man they asked, Dinny Long, was also a member of the local Anti-Treaty IRA. When Collins and his men arrived to Béal na Bláth five ambushers opened fire on the Collins convoy.

Collins was killed in the subsequent gun battle, which lasted about 20 minutes, from 8:00 p.m. to 8:20 p.m. He was the only fatality.


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A Mauser model 1911 automatic pistol which belonged to Michael Collins.


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Another great photo of Collins


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Born one hundred and twenty five years ago on this day, the 16th of October, 1890 in Clonakilty, County Cork, Ireland.

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de Valera

“I felt the distance between the two was so small that the British would not wage war on account of it,”
“You may say if it is so small why not take it? But I say, that small difference makes all the difference.”


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Collins

“The course of life and labour reminds me of a long journey I once took on the railway. Suddenly, there was a breakdown ahead, and passengers took the event in various ways. Some of them sat still resignedly, and never said a word. Others again, went to sleep. But some of us leaped out of that train, and ran on ahead to clear the road of all obstructions.”


Dáil Éireann Debate
Wednesday, 14 December 1921

http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/ ... endocument


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Emmet Dalton Beal na Blah interviewed by Cathal O’Shannon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLrGnImYCwU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM32nOhOz1Q


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Interesting archive, ITB.

Emmet Dalton also featured in this 1978 documentary - shadow of beal na blath.
Parts 5-8, give background and testimony by some of those involved from both sides, in the days leading up what unfolded on that historic evening, as the light faded.

The lead up to beal-na-blath
pt5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AdNwLZZ2eU

Where the skirmish began and ended
pt6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggJ9kIpKyz4

In the documentary, Pathologist, Dr Harbinson: 7:01 / 13:44 – expert ballistics opinion relating to low and high velocity bullets, the type of wounds from a full metal jacket covered bullet, a ricochet, and dum-dum /expanding bullet - prohibited under the 1899 Hague Convention - “Bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core or is pierced with incisions”.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customar ... rul_rule77

Pt7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL74On9IMVw

Dr Harbinson in 1978 explaining “if you recall your physics, the force of any moving object, like a bullet, is mass x the velocity squared, - in other words, it's the square of the velocity - velocity is a much bigger affect on the net force, than the actual weight of the bullet, hence the importance of a high velocity bullet, which may be traveling in the order of 3,000 fps, as against a revolver or hand gun bullet, which is traveling at a speed, in the order of 700 fps, or at most, would say - a long muzzled Mauser or Luger pistol, which might achieve,1200 fps.”

One aspect perhaps overlooked was the standard .303 military ball ammunition, unlike other spitzer full metal jacketed bullets of this period, kept a trick up its sleeve, that gave an improved performance, against the slightly wider diameter Mauser 98 rifle in 7.92/8mm. The standard WWI & II, infantry rifle used by the waring nations, on all sides, were similar to each other, as to make little or no difference, than rely on an obsession based on calibres. The type of bullet design was of greater importance than the bore dimension of a particular military rifle dating from the 1900s.

The (1910) Mk VII was different from earlier .303 bullet designs or spitzer projectiles in general. Although it appears to be a conventional spitzer-shape full metal jacket bullet, this appearance is deceptive: its designers made the front third of the interior of the Mk 7 bullets out of aluminium (from Canada) or tenite (cellulosic plastic), wood pulp or compressed paper, instead of lead and they were autoclaved to prevent wound infection. This lighter nose shifted the centre of gravity of the bullet towards the rear, making it tail heavy. Although the bullet was stable in flight due to the gyroscopic forces imposed on it by the rifling of the barrel, it behaved very differently upon hitting the target. As soon as the bullet hit the target and decelerated, its heavier lead base caused it to pitch violently and deform, thereby inflicting more severe gunshot wounds than a standard single-core spitzer design. In spite of this, the Mk VII bullet was legal due to the full metal jacket used according to the terms of the Hague Convention.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.303_British

This bullet remained the standard military ball round for the .303 cartridge's entire service life.

Was it the ricochet theory that killed Michael Collins?

In 1966 Dr Cagney told MCGarry (a President of the IRB) how Collins (President of the IRB) was killed by a .303 rifle bullet.

On the hillside (theory) above him Sonny O'Neill, ex-RIC and ex-British Army marksman, made off into the gathering dusk. He had lingered for a last, long shot and instinctively felt he might have hit the tall officer, whoever he was....?
http://www.generalmichaelcollins.com/life-times/beal-na-mblath/tipperary-connection/

One theory coming from the Irregulars ambush party felt that Denis Sonny O'Neill must have inadvertently used a round of dum-dum.

Another theory is that one of the rifles which was supposed to have been sent northwards in the undercover swap which Collins had arranged...was a particularly fine elephant gun. O'Neill is said to have been so taken with the weapon that he substituted another rifle for it.

The theory linking Dalton and his Mauser C96 pistol, a man of outstanding character and ability, would have shot himself sooner that injure Collins.

In 1987 Irish State Pathologist, Dr Harbinson, demonstrated that a high velocity rifle bullet, making an incinspicous entry wound at or above the hairline could leave a gaping aperture on exiting.


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On the hill Sonny O'Neill was up in the lane overlooking Michael Collins in the middle of the road http://www.generalmichaelcollins.com/life-times/beal-na-mblath/beal-na-mblath/


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