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K98 German Mauser 
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Post GERMAN RIFLES
KAR Mauser 98k 7.92/8mm mauser

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03 Apr 2009 17:03
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Post Re: GERMAN RIFLES
Mauser Gewehr 98 Rifle History

Something to keep you occupied through the bad weather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnOgg79k ... re=related

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07 Jan 2010 16:30
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Post K98 German Mauser
My application for my K98 has been successful. I would like to thank all the members of the VCRAI for their advice over the last number of months. Iam looking forward to going to the range and shooting this old classic rifle again. Yours in sport SNIPE. :D


29 Apr 2010 18:29
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
Congratulations for getting the K98. Which model are you getting? My own is a 1943 Gustlaff Werk. Post 1943 the standard dropped away.
My own K98 is ex Red Army captured. Look for electro stencilled numbers. When I took mine to bits it had brand new unfired 1941 built parts in the magazine.As well as a new cleaning rod. I think the Russians rebuilt a lot of weapons post WW2 from the captured spare parts.Check operation of the safety as well, they can get very stiff.


29 Apr 2010 21:26
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
Thanks lads for the support, lesterh my k98 is 1943 Yougo captured, a lot of the German markings were removed some still remain on front sight,bolt and bolt release the rifle is in near mint condition she shoots very tight groups at 100 metres i cant wait to try her out at 300 metres. SNIPE


29 Apr 2010 22:12
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
Well done that man
A K98 on the firing line!

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30 Apr 2010 10:16
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
the LE's better buck up now that Jerry is on the line :)

congrats , hope you get many years of enjoyment from it .
Dar


30 Apr 2010 10:33
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
Thank you for the reply Snipe.
If you can read any of the German stampings. Look for small Eagle stamps with a number underneath. That is the "Waffenette mark" ( Sorry Tac, I can't spell in German either)!
If you look on Wikkipedia there are a complete set of Waffenette marks on a page.
"bcd" is the makers mark for Gustlaff Werk.
Another stamping I have seen is a slightly larger German Eagle over a round Swastika.
I have some literature on K98 bayonets and their stampings as well.

Not sure about Yugoslavian stampings. My own Yugo MG42/53 has cyrillic writing. It was possibly made by Zastiva.In Novenber 1944.

If your K98 is German parts. The rifle serial number should also be on the left side of the butt.
Hope the above is of help. Kind regards to all. :geek:
( Still think the SMLE is better. 10 rounds plus one up the spout! I am a poor shot).


30 Apr 2010 18:48
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
LesterH thank you for the info about K98 markings. Unlike the Russians the Yugoslavs unfortunately removed most of the German markings and codes from their captured K98. ON my K98 their is a small eagle with the number 359 underneath, on the left hand side of bell ,Yougo stamp Preduzece 44 i believe this means factory 44, this is where this rifle was probably refurbed. On left side of receiver marked Mod98, right hand side of stock stamped with 1.TRZ. Top of bell has a Yugo crest with a star on top and the year 1943 in the centre , the bolt is marked with 2 small eagles. The wood is very good with virtually no marks or scratches, this rifle is in near perfect condition and is very accurate only my shooting ability leaves her down alot.


30 Apr 2010 21:55
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
Dear Snipe. Most WW2 K98 stocks were laminated wood. If you have all wood with no rifle number on left side, the stock is probably Yugoslavian. Yugoslavs use Beech wood.
Look inside butt plate for a Wa number.
From your number above WaA359= Erma, Erfurt factory.
Subcontractor markings/stampings/ inspection stamps.
WaA359ce=Sauer und Sohn, Suhl. 1941-44.
WaA359acC= Walther , Zella-Melis. 1941-45.
The restampings you discribe are correct for a German rifle, captured and rebuilt in Yugoslavia. Probably by Zastiva.
Depending upon which book you read. Some say the guns were built on captured/ abandoned machinery. Some say rebuilds post capture. Some say manufactured from a mixture of new made parts and old German stock.
If ex Russian. The Russians tended to throw away the front sight hood, cleaning rod and bayonet lug.
Try undoing the two screws, either side of the trigger group and look at the left side of the magazine. If German it should have a makers mark and year date. Also look for a stamp on the "W" spring.
If it has a 25mm bayonet lug its Yugo (1932 Mauser export bayonet, with muzzle ring).
If it has a 50mm bayonet lug it's German. Proper K98 bayonet with only mortise fitting.
Hope the above is of some use. Kind regards. :geek:


01 May 2010 22:33
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
Dear lesterH. NO marks inside but plate or magazine, on the barrel their is 2 small triangle marks, on the base of magazine floor plate is stamped with the numbers 3178 ,i overlooked this earlier somebody has tried unsuccessfully to remove this thank you for all your help Regards Snipe. :D


01 May 2010 23:37
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
Now this is why we have this web forum
Well done gentleman

Share more info!

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02 May 2010 10:28
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
Congrats on getting your K98, beautiful rifle. I had one myself until the new Firearms laws came online :cry: I met the Cs and said my bit but he did'nt want to know said if I went through the courts I'd probably get it.......It's a crazy carry on!!! :evil: Anway hope you have plenty of fun with yours.

ps great website lads.


02 May 2010 12:22
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
Dear Snipe, thank you for the extra info. I cannot trace 3178. However the number pattern fits with a Mauser sub contractor. Probably early 40's.
The triangle stamps are a proof or pressure test. The stamping looks like a "7". The stamp was not held straight when stamping on a curved part. Usually has a small Waffenet Eagle near it.
My K98 also has triangle stamps on the barrel and bottom of the bolts finger grip. (Underneath when fitted in breech). Triangle stamp only seems to be on the pressure parts.
That's about all I can do with narrative. If you could take some photos and send them to John K.( He has my E-mail address in England) and could send them to me. Then I can compare the photos with my own K98 and see what has been altered. ( I will try to attach a photo of my own K98 from my photo collection).


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02 May 2010 20:35
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Sorry but I am not very good at driveing computers. Some Brengun photographs down loaded as well. It's a 1943 Brengun MKII made by Inglis in Canada. On Saturday I rebuilt the bipod to replace the bent right leg. Back to K98 topic.


02 May 2010 20:46
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
Thank you for the information LesterH, nice rifle the only difference that i can see between our K98s is the butt plate,mine is much thicker and comes about an inch up the stock . I will try to send the pictures of my K98 to JK but my computer skills leave a lot to be desired. Regards snipe.


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02 May 2010 21:03
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
Dear Snipe, thank you for the comment. Where Enfields have different length butts, depending on size of soldier. Mauser adjust by thickness of the butt plate.
Around 1943 with the allied bombing of the Ruhr etc. The war turned against Germany and quality started to suffer. To complecate matters Mauser had factories in Portugal as well as Yugoslavia and Greater Germany. I only have parts stamp details for the German made parts.


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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
'Cartridges of the World 10th Edition' lists no less than 27 different versions of the 8mm calibre cartridge, many of which fit nicely between the 120gr and 250gr bullets so beloved by the Americans and their 30-06.

The 30-06 is only beaten in types and styles of bullets by the .308Win and high-stepping .22 centerfires.

tac


03 May 2010 16:29
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Post Re: K98 German Mauser
Regarding my k98 licence,this was a lengthy process, they didn't just hand it out to me and say their you are,as you can appreciate i wont go into specif details but to be fair i did meet some fair minded people throughout this process, the only advice i can give to any person in a similar situation is {NEVER GIVE UP} SNIPE.


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