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IS A RELOADING ROOM AN EXPLOSION HAZARD 
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That is about the size of it. The subject matter is 'quite small' to see it turn into a contest restricted to subgroups.
Interesting to recall former Justice Minister, Michael Mc Dowell, was of the same opinion with regard to allowing a small amount of reloading at home
It may be that the concerns of some of the business element, failed to understand the process, and benefit a small amount of reloading brings to the trade as a whole!

Oireachtas Debates
Criminal Justice Act 2006
http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/ ... 6062800016

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Mr. McDowell: The amendment proposes to narrow down further what is provided for in section 10A(3)(e), which states: “the premises where the reloading is to take place are sufficiently safe and secure for that purpose”. The Deputy proposes to provide that the premises “has secure storage for required material and equipment and is separate and distinct from living quarters”.

I have consulted in this regard and the advice I have received is that the amount of material involved in reloading is quite small and that in some instances, for some people, the most secure place for them to have this equipment is at home rather than in some business premises. If a reloading sportsman who carries out this activity under a permit is required to have the equipment in a place separate from his house, such as a shed, business premises or lock-up premises, to keep the equipment in a separate location would perhaps be less secure than keeping it under the stairs at home or otherwise. It is a judgment call. The advice from the Garda is that it does not believe it would be a good idea to require people to keep all this equipment in a separate place from their home because it would be more vulnerable to theft than if it were kept at home. Sometimes one’s home is one of the safer places one has at one’s disposal.

Aengus Ó Snodaigh: The intention was not to require that the equipment be kept at a different location from that at which the work is done. Perhaps the amendment is badly worded. In using the term “secure storage” my intention was that a form of storage such as the secure cabinets used to store rifles in houses would be used. In using the term “living quarters” my intention was that this material would not be stored in a kitchen or bedroom but in another area such as a garage. I am flexible in this regard. While the wording may not be correct, the intention is to ensure the material is secure within the house, farmyard or other premises in which this work is done. One could have a secure premises within which a child could have access to these materials. Security in this regard does not refer only to intruders.

Mr. McDowell: It would not be reasonable to interpret paragraph (e) as dealing only with perimeter security of a premises. The requirement that a superintendent must be satisfied that the premises where the loading is to take place is sufficiently safe and secure for that purpose not only means that the outside doors and windows must be safe but that the premises themselves are safe for the purpose. The internal characteristics, including whether the person will do the loading on the kitchen table while the children do their homework, is one of the issues the superintendent could take into account.


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Hand-loading and reloading of ammunition will remain permitted.

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What can you can do to protect yourself

Short of taking a risk assessment course because one day your mobile phone battery might explode - either, except the benefit outweigh the risk or surrender the thought of ever using mobile devices...other than that, take-out some form of life insurance policy, wear ballistic-proof safety goggles, vest, jocks and leggings – before turning on battery powered device.

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I have consulted in this regard and the advice I have received is that overcharging might cause exploding accidents


Wrong. Read again...what former Minister for Justice said:- "I have consulted in this regard and the advice I have received is that the amount of material involved in reloading is quite small and that in some instances, for some people, the most secure place for them to have this equipment is at home rather than in some business premises. If a reloading sportsman who carries out this activity under a permit is required to have the equipment in a place separate from his house, such as a shed, business premises or lock-up premises, to keep the equipment in a separate location would perhaps be less secure than keeping it under the stairs at home or otherwise. It is a judgment call. The advice from the Garda is that it does not believe it would be a good idea to require people to keep all this equipment in a separate place from their home because it would be more vulnerable to theft than if it were kept at home. Sometimes one’s home is one of the safer places one has at one’s disposal.

overcharging / double-charging - risk assessment made by former Principal Officer at the DoJ?

Wrong. Has your typical mobile device been proofed in a way similar to the Italian National Proof House of Endurance testing?
To negate the risk of chambering an over-pressured round - Sporting rifles and firearms in general are proof tested - example, double-charged testing and certain types of firearms go through endurance testing no mobile phone would ever expect to survive, i.e. #6
(February 2011, Benelli's ARGO-E) underwent the most excruciating set of tests devised by the weapons industry: the ENDURANCE TEST - note barrel blockage test #6 https://youtu.be/yeSEr5HIb74

Clever reloaders, apperently prefer reloading a larger column of slow-even-burning propellant. Not only does the larger charge assist accuracy but, it has obvious safety benefit of avoiding the chance of loading a double propellant charge, during reloading– fear averted.

Accidentally loading an empty rifle case with fast-burning 'pistol powder' and/or similar rated shotgun propellant – can cause catastrophic failures...... https://youtu.be/Ka3tRwCRW-c


A typical bolt-action and breech loader rifle have strong actions designed to withstand an accidental double-charge of recommended propellent.
In Ireland, reloading was granted to small number of rifle enthusiasts where there is a zero possibility of loading empty rifle brass with handgun or shotgun propellant.

Clearly former minister for justice McDowell recieved advice from his explosive dep at the DoJ. One has to wonder was the HSA involved – proabably not if truth be told. Suggesting the advice given to the Minister for Justice had little concern over a small amount of Propellant used for the purpose of hand-loading ammunition- by already vetted and approved, licensed firerarm holders at their home-shed/garage/dedicated reloading room...

No safety Goggles - Fully Proofed, Bolt-action & Breech Loading firearms
NRA Bisley HANDBOOK - APPENDICES
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Eye protection is not considered necessary when using rifles that operate with a locked bolt or falling block because such firearms:
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Do not eject small metallic parts or powder residue at the breech end except in instances of catastrophic failure
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[b]Are designed to fail in such a way that the user is not exposed to debris
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Are designed to fail in such a way that any debris travels only a short distance and should not present a hazard to others at the typical spacing of competitors on the firing point.


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An interesting example Ray. Domestic gas explosions occur frequently. Storing one or two small tubs of powder - at home, poses little or no danger - a house fire will consume everything in its path before ever reaching a well hidden little 1 lb. (0.45 kg) tub of powder....

Back on topic - In early 2015 - sport shooting representatives in the south of Ireland had a historical first, a public recorded meetings in front of the Dail Justice Committee.
Discussion was in relation to Justice Minister Alan Shatter's Review of Firearms 2014 [still not yet completed..] resulting from a string of high profile court cases, to do with, certain semi-automatic firearms. With that the DoJ proposal to introduce some form of expanded proposal, for the reloading of ammunition - following on in the foot steps of the 2011 reloading scheme - that successfully proved once and for all, reloading in Ireland [ and rest of the world] can safely take its place without ever displaying any of the lackadaisical “consequences” that never materialised.
Then the FCP was reformed after the Justice Committee published its findings, but perhaps, the better model for making amendment to the firearms act, 2009 - was to again, follow the North of Ireland example of the Firearms (Amendment) regulations, discussed for the second time in front of the Dail Justice committee.

An interesting example to read below how to maintain open negotiations. It happens to deal with firearm dealers revenue being lost. Their voiced concerns at the justice committe is on the public record, with the subject raised to amend the regulations in order to look for the exact meaning of the Storage of Explosives Regulations (Northern Ireland)
In the public extract below- the HSE support the sport organisations understanding on what the storage regulations mean exactly - for the amounts of dealers propellant greater than 30kgs - requiring a license and exact tables, setting-out the prescribed seperation distances at half the distance - for what the police explosive dep wanted.

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February 2013
http://www.vcrai.com/phpBB/phpBB3/viewt ... 0&start=20

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The BASC represents quite a number of firearms dealers who are what we call trade members. In January 2012, I attended a meeting of two of our firearms dealers and the head of firearms branch and his senior explosives licensing liaison officer. The agenda for the meeting was quite straightforward and simple. One of those dealers wanted to increase his holding of explosives. "Explosives" really translates as reloading powder. Someone like me or David could go along and buy a tub of powder and load our own ammunition. That is all legal and above board, and it is all papered up.

The legislation dealing with that is the Manufacture and Storage of Explosives Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2006. That sets out the separation distances in table format — at table 8, I think. I do not want to get too technical here, but a dealer could have his own property, a house and a store. The regulations lay down the distances at which he can store x amount of powder. Again without getting too technical, that distance is stated in the table as 30 metres. However, there is a line that states:

"The separation distance referred to in paragraph (4) is that which is equal to half the relevant separation distance".

In other words, if 30 metres is in the table, that means 15 metres. I am sure that the Committee has grasped quite quickly that half of 30 metres is 15 metres. The police refused to accept either our argument or his. It was not just a refusal; it was an arrogant refusal. It was a case of, "We are right. You are wrong. Close the door on your way out."

In the light of that, I wrote to the Department of Justice (DOJ) seeking clarification. Bearing in mind that this happened in January, it brought in a health and safety adviser in August. That health and safety adviser said, "You are right. You can have not only what powder you want but more than that, because it works on a pro rata basis."

The point that I am making is quite simple. The PSNI got that wrong, and that had a serious impact on that dealer's livelihood. That impact was on not only the powder that he could have sold over a period of nine or 10 months but all the ancillary items that go along with the powder, such as the cases, the presses and the dyes. I know that I am getting technical, and I do not want to go down that road. However, I am highlighting another issue where accountability is a major problem. Whenever they get it wrong, there is no recourse. There is nothing that we can do.

That issue dragged on for 10 months. The sad fact is that the issue was raised not just in January 2012; it had been raised four or five years earlier by the previous PSNI inspectorate. It was the same scenario, and the dealer was told, "We are right. You are wrong." That was a prolonged, protracted issue. At the end of the day, the dealer was right, and it was down to misinterpretation of what it states in the book. So, accountability is a major issue.


"So, accountability is a major issue" - equality law was built into the good Friday Agreement structures - matters of equality and accountability is therefore taken very seriously.


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Two questions for you SMLE303 re your post,

Schedule of Pyrotechnics;
Examples of articles airbag modules, airbag gas generators, seatbelt pretensioners, (Does this mean that everybody that drives a car with an airbag are in possession of Pyrotechnics/explosives.)


Articles which are classified for transport by the UK Health and Safety Laboratory are listed on the LOCEF database.(Do we not have Health and Safety Laboratory here in Ireland ??.)


_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
N O T E S
Making Application
Form to be submitted to Department at least 1 month before date of importation.
Form to be completed in Block or Type apart from signature.
Supporting documentation must be legible.
Completed application to be forwarded to :

Firearms, Explosives and Private Security Division,
Department of Justice and Equality
94 St Stephen’s Green. Dublin 2 D02 FD70
Email: firearms_inbox@justice.ie
PH: 00 353 1 6028357


Storage Arrangements.
This section is used by the importer to certify that he has an appropriate storage facility and current storage licence for the explosives he is importing.
In the event of the applicant NOT having a licensed or registered place or places of storage capable of receiving the whole quantity to be imported, the application must be accompanied by a certificate from the occupier of a licensed or registered place of storage that he is prepared to receive and store such amount as cannot be stored by the applicant. Such extra storage must not infringe the terms of a licence or exceed permitted quantities in a registered premises.

Supporting Documents
Competent Authority Document. (CAD) This is a referenced signed and dated document (issued usually to the manufacturer by a competent licensing authority in the country of manufacture or test), which classifies and authorises the named explosive for transport. (In the UK, the competent authority is the Health and Safety Executive (HSE)).
Certificate of Composition: This is a quality certificate from the manufacturer.
Detonation Resistance Test Certificate Required for imports of ammonium nitrate (>28% Nitrogen) imported for blending or use as fertiliser.
Police Certificate

If the importer intends selling the deemed explosive for immediate use for industrial or agricultural purposes he should include a copy of Garda Certificate (C 49), issued under S.I. No 364 of 1997, Sale of Explosives Order, to the purchaser, which specifies the amount and type permitted. This applies to all “deemed explosives”, e.g. ammonium nitrate, sodium chlorate, sodium nitrate, potassium Nitrate and nitrobenzene.


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I found this on another website.

Quote:To reload ammunition in Scotland, Wales and England, you need:
a) permission to possess the ammunition you intend to reload (granted as calibre and amount on Firearms Certificate (FAC)
b) Appropriate storage for ammunition you manufacture--once complete rounds have been assembled, they count against your ammunition limit for that calibre, and must be placed into your secure storage.

Components (apart from expanding bullets and primers) can be obtained license-free, but:
a) primers require a valid FAC to be produced, and the primer type you are seeking to buy must match an ammunition category listed on your FAC.

b) expanding bullets must be listed as on your FAC, and you must stay below your limit when buying them, even if the bullets are not assembled into rounds of ammunition. Effectively, expanding bullets are equivalent in law to assembled rounds--but other, more knowledgeable members may wish to qualify this, since I don't hunt, and therefore am not allowed expanding bullets.

No limits (apart from health and safety rules regarding maximum safe limits of explosives) exist for primers, powder, and non-expanding bullets. Some arcane storage rules can apply for the first two, however.

No current rules concerning where you can reload -- no compulsory courses; no requirement to do it under supervision, etc. Most reloaders work at home, away from sources of disturbance -- a strong reason in my view for NOT doing it in a club -- too many risks of interruption, leading to possibly unsafe rounds being assembled.


Why is reloading so complicated here in Ireland, :roll: :roll: :roll:

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I think it's safe to say you're alright mucker. The driver's license allow u possess airbag explosive :mrgreen:
http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Your_Industry/Hea ... aboratory/


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[quote="Sikamick"]I found this on another website.

Quote:To reload ammunition in Scotland, Wales and England [AND Northern Ireland], you need:
a) permission to possess the ammunition you intend to reload (granted as calibre and amount on Firearms Certificate (FAC)[In Northern Ireland you must produce your FAC in order to buy ANY components.]
b) Appropriate storage for ammunition you manufacture--once complete rounds have been assembled, they count against your ammunition limit for that calibre, and must be placed into your secure storage.

Components (apart from expanding bullets and primers) [expanding bullets are now Section 1, and can be bought by anybody with a Section 1 licence] - can be obtained license-free, but:
a) primers require a valid FAC to be produced, and the primer type you are seeking to buy must match an ammunition category listed on your FAC.

b) Delete ALL this paragraph. - expanding bullets must be listed as on your FAC, and you must stay below your limit when buying them, even if the bullets are not assembled into rounds of ammunition. Effectively, expanding bullets are equivalent in law to assembled rounds--but other, more knowledgeable members may wish to qualify this, since I don't hunt, and therefore am not allowed expanding bullets.

No limits (apart from health and safety rules regarding maximum safe limits of explosives) exist for primers, powder, and non-expanding bullets. Some arcane storage rules can apply for the first two, however. [See National rules on amounts to be held - usually 15Kg in total]

No current rules concerning where you can reload -- no compulsory courses; no requirement to do it under supervision, etc. Most reloaders work at home, away from sources of disturbance -- a strong reason in my view for NOT doing it in a club -- too many risks of interruption, leading to possibly unsafe rounds being assembled.

tac, a SAFE reloader since the late '60s


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Q&A reloading recap, 2018

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(8) In this section “reloading ammunition” means making ammunition from spent ammunition, and cognate expressions shall be construed accordingly.”
Criminal Justice Act 2006 (No. 26 of 2006)

Have to wonder aloud who does the drafting and wording...? There is some degree of hair-splitting in the legal definition between a spent ammunition case, used to reload fresh ammunition and, the person licensed to hold firearms and ammunition; dispensing a small amount of propellant into (RFD, NEW Purchased) factory primed and unprimed never fired cases.?

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The Garda Commissioner has some very strong views in relation to the reloading of ammunition for handguns and the Minister for Justice has taken on board his views.
Mullingar Conference, 2008


He should of asked RFDs and those with C 49 licenses to reload ammunition at that time...... nothing to do with the remaining 98% who know nothing or ever got the chance to...

Why it isn't recommended using rifle powder to reload handgun cartridges?

Because slow burning Rifle Powder used to load handgun cartridges, then discharged from the much shorter handgun barrel, cause the very slow bullet to lodge in the barrel, without it exiting - thus destroying the firearm from any repeat shots from handgun ammunition loaded with the correct propellant.

Handgun and Shotgun propellant can generally be interchanged

The types of powder they use are virtually identical. Shotgun cartridges are plentiful and found on farms and a possible source for other types of activities should a box of shotgun cases became somehow altered, because of their faster powder burn rate but, there are other readily available products with greater values found common on the shelves of every hardware store.

In general pistol powders are fast burning

Rifle powder is slow burning

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A delegate observed that while the army doesn’t use reloaded ammunition that reloading is seen as normal in other countries. Mullingar Conference, 2008


In Ireland it's a case by case approach / policy / postal code, luck of the draw, etc. The DoJ are sometimes staffed in some departments by ex-military personnel to include the explosives dep...ask them


The proposal to introduce 'three methods' of reloading ammunition (2014 - ? )

"Filling room"

- means a room suitable for the filling or making of cartridges,

(a) which is located at-
(1) a shooting range in respect of which an authorisation..................


Provision in favor of gunmakers etc, making cartridges

Note: Favors (1) Gunmakers, (2) Occupiers of a magazine (4) Store and ( 5)
Sec 46-
The occupier of a “magazine, or store”, for any explosive shall not be required by this Act to take out a factory license......................................


Exemption of filling or carrying safety cartridges for “private use”
Sec 41 –

1. Nothing in this Act shall apply to the conveying for private use and not for sale any safety cartridges to the “ amount allowed” by this Act to be kept for private use.
2. Nothing in this Act shall apply to the filling by a person for private use and not for sale any safety cartridges to the amount allowed by this Act to be kept for private use, provided such filling is
a) carried out only in a filling room in accordance with such conditions relating to public safety or security as may be imposed by a Government Inspector of Explosives and is;
b) carried out by, or under the direct supervision of, a competent person, and is
c) carried out by a person who is a member of a club to which an authorisation under section 4A (inserted by section 33 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006 (No. 26 of 2006)) has been
granted.

Note: (some in the trade south of the border, don't go in much for an understand of the cost benefit a little reloading brings to one and all. And that it might hurt the sale of their factory ammunition.
For target ammunition, most RFDs never stock....and what of last years rumored leaking from inside the FCP - where some maybe from the trade, was reported to say in effect that they are 'all at it' - one wonders who the claim was directed at? and for the befit of who, to say such a thing, provided the leaking was true? - when, virtually few in the trade import a wide selection of ammunition, let alone, anything in target/match/ centerfire - v odd sporting comment..

VS

The above..nod & wink, BS

Below: Yes we can can culture on the same island, where there was 30 years of armed conflict. With less than half the population of the south -yet secure a greater number of licensed firearms per 100 of the population. Better shooting ranges. License 14,000 handguns, normal to grant reloading, while delivering a service that is understandable in the format of black and white firearm laws that apply equally to all vetted & approved to hold licensed firearms.

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Make sure you come to us and benefit from:

Over 30 years' experience - professional service and expert knowledge
Convenient location - located beside the A1 carriageway, 30 minutes from Belfast and 60 minutes from Dublin
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Reloading supplies available - stockists of Frontier bullets, Dillon reloading machines, reloaders powder and primers

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Yes we can minister for justice on the advice given ( 2006) ?

I have consulted in this regard and the (DoJ) advice I have received is that the amount of material involved in reloading is quite small and that in some instances, for some people, the most secure place for them to have this equipment is at home rather than in some business premises.
Former Justice Minister, Michael McDowel - circa 2006 ?


Roll on years later - proof in motion, on the advice given to Former Justice Minister, Michael McDowel

'they're all at it'

If true - maybe the accusers are as well, this being Ireland. Good luck to whoever they are, legally at it. FCP and the 21 reps - note this - during 2011, over 510 licence applications for the importation of explosives (including commercial explosives, deemed substances and fireworks) were processed.
Alan Shatter, TD
Minister for Justice and Equality



x 2 Former Justice Minister and Equality in support :roll:


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Apart from the likes of various types of Mauser that shot 6.5 Argentine or Swedish, the 7x57, the Japanese 7.5s and French Lebel and MAS ditto, there are very few truly historic rifle calibres that are smaller than the nominal .308". The Italian Carcano? 'spose so. The various Mannlichers? Okay, but who in Ireland has one of these?

Even the so-called .303 is actually at least .311" and often up to .316"...

The REAL historic arms with a genuine Irish connection are the Mauser Model 71 and 71/84 - both 11mm - .43".

All military small arms before and around that time were bigger, or a LOT bigger. The British Empire had the Martini-Henry in .577-.450, the Americans had the .45-70 Govt. There is no point mentioning any muzzleloader, since they are also not only way too big - .577cal or .58cal, but muzzleloaders use black powder or a substitute, neither of which are available, let alone the percussion caps you need to fire them.. So how's about a flintlock?

No cap needed, right?

Well, no, just a lump of rock, but....wait a minute, subs don't work in a flintlock, you HAVE to have the real deal - black powder.

Oh s***.

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Not exactly....reset your mind and anything is possible provided you are good at persuading the senior official at the explosives department of the DoJ.
example - propellant.
Attachment:
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( re-enactors load blackpowdwer!

Take the year 2011 for example -
510 licence applications for the importation of explosives (including commercial explosives, deemed substances and fireworks) were processed.
Former, Justice Minister, Alan Shatter 2011 and on the advice given to another justice minister. I have consulted in this regard and the ('DoJ') advice I have received is that the amount of material involved in reloading is quite small and that in some instances, for some people, the most secure place for them to have this equipment is at home rather than in some business premises
Quote: Former, Minister for Justice and Equality, Michael McDowell


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Blackadder wrote:
re-enactors use black power paper cartridges! in the Republic when they are permitted to fire and use muskets & cannon.



But NOT shooting live ammunition/ball/bullets.

AFAIK there is nobody in the republic actively shooting ANY BP muzzleloading firearm on a range at a target, let alone a cannon.

If such shooting exists, please show me where so I can come over and watch it.

Best.

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Quote:
you HAVE to have the real deal - black powder......

and live ammunition/ball/bullets. so I can come over and watch it
Oh s***.

tac


What does I'll eat my hat expression mean? O me old Howth gun.......viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1681

HAVE to have the real deal - black powder - yup - viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1515


The real deal regestered on this forum - Paul and Boyd Rankin armourer -for the Game of Thrones and plays Mikken the blacksmith. Expect them to advise the DoJ on the subject from time to time and maybe a range interested in etc..


Under the regulations - Remember - 510 licence applications for the importation of explosives. Firearm dealers are entitled to import MIXED Powders and ammunition and also reload - for example if the RFD had a period BP rifled musket and wanted to test fire, using a real lead projectile....or maybe, sell a pre loaded musket to fire once - sell it back again and have it reloaded....who knows.....how many of the 510 applications for the importation of explosives are for mixed small arms propellant?

Mode B: Registered Firearms Dealer -
A substantial receptacle or safe inside a dwelling house or public room. The general limit is 50 lbs of mixed explosives or double this if kept in a fireproof safe, and in addition, 500 lbs of small arms ammunition (or 550 lbs if small arms ammunition only).

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Why is reloading so complicated here in Ireland [quote="Sikamick"]
It's not, it just appears that way....


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Reloading
Brownells Ireland has ammunition for your rifle, handgun or shotgun, for every type of shooting. Brownells.ie offers the reloading tools, components and gear you need to make the best handloads possible – whether you’re reloading for bulk plinking ammo or crafting precision competition loads. https://www.brownells.ie/Reloading

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Rayfn wrote:
Reloading
Brownells Ireland has ammunition for your rifle, handgun or shotgun, for every type of shooting. Brownells.ie offers the reloading tools, components and gear you need to make the best handloads possible – whether you’re reloading for bulk plinking ammo or crafting precision competition loads. https://www.brownells.ie/Reloading

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Yes, we KNOW all that, thanks. But when can YOU start reloading? Got cases? Got bullets? Got primers? Got propellant? Got UK citizenship and live in the North?

Go ahead and reload in good health.

Got citizenship of the Republic and live in it?

Unless you fulfil the guidelines and are a full, not visiting, member of the Midlands etc, possession of the reloading equipment is not illegal, but possession of any loose components IS.

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He'll have to marry an Offaly woman for his midlands passport :mrgreen:


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ya know it makes sense :lol: :lol:


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I'm more than little concerned at some of the wording being bandied around here, supposedly coming from the PTB.

'Accountability'?

What does THAT mean? We have a firearms license. We own guns, and we buy ammunition and store both arms and ammunition in our secure containers - some of us even have specially-installed alarms.

IF we [and by that I mean YOU] are permitted to carry out reloading of small-arms ammunition, just like everybody else in Western civilisation, what further accountablility is necessary?

I certainly don't have to account to anybody for the amount of ammunition I might put together, providing that I obey the LAW with regard to the total amount I'm allowed to have not being exceeded by the amount I make.

And why do I comply? Because I'm LAW-ABIDING, and OBEY the laws, knowing that if I infringe them, then I can wave goodbye to my shooting forever.

The criminal, OTOH, has no regard for law and does what he wants to do.

In Northern Ireland the FAC holder has to produce it to buy components. Here in GB we only have to show our FAC if we are buying primers, and that is to people who don't know you. I can buy neither small rifle nor large pistol primers, since I don't have a need for them - I don't having any calibres that use them.

IF, OTOH, you go to a new-to-you dealership, it is only commonsense to have your FAC with you in order to buy such items for the first time, remembering that here in all of UK, our FACs have our photograph on them, unlike the Irish gun license, that does not. More often than not, the dealer will photo-copy your FAC or otherwise record it - I don't care - I'm legal. Meanwhile, anybody could pick up a dropped Irish gun license and buy ammunition from a distant dealer, who would be none the wiser.


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