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EXPLOSIVES ACT UPDATE – GOOD NEWS FOR HANDLOADERS 
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After eight years of consultation and development with Natural Resources Canada, CSSA/CILA are pleased to announce the introduction of new draft regulations for the storage and acquisition of handloading components and ammunition. These regulations apply specifically to combustible ammunition components regulated under the Explosives Act. We believe these new regulations will allow greater freedoms to handloaders without presenting significant restrictions for others.

CSSA/CILA were one of the principal organizations responsible for this progressive step forward for handloaders in Canada. A brief summary of the new proposals is shown below. Click here to view the entire document.

Propellants:

Current Storage Limit – 10 kg

Proposed Storage Limit (single dwelling unit) - 25 kg propellant af which no more than 10 kg may be black powder + 75 kg in separate storage outside of dwelling with no separation distance

Proposed Storage Limit (multi-dwelling unit) – 5 kg of smokeless or 20 kg smokeless in containers of 1kg or less, 2 kg black powder in bulk in containers of 500 g or less and 3 kg in cartouches and bulk

Primers/Percussion Caps:

Current Storage Limit – “a reasonable quantity” (reasonable is up to the Judge)

Proposed Storage Limit – Unlimited in original packaging – up to 150 "stored" in loading equipment

Ammunition:

Current Storage Limit – “a reasonable quantity” (reasonable is up to the Judge)

Proposed Storage Limit – 225 kg NEQ, i.e., propellant loaded into cartridges*

Acquisition:

Current – name and address provided at point of sale

Proposed – POL or PAL number (only) required OR name and address recorded for two years



Businesses:


Ammunition: Storage limits for sale – no change (225 kg NEQ)

Propellant: no change (12 kg propellant)**

Primers/Percussion Caps: 10,000 primers for display, unlimited storage if kept in their original packaging

** sellers must enroll on the seller’s list

** More can be stored with a license (quantities would depend on the license).

These regulation are currently posted on the NRCan website and will be published in the Canada Gazette early 2010.

We believe these regulations represent a significant advancement for handloaders and we respectfully request you support them. These regulations represent the fruit of eight years labour on your behalf by CILA/CSSA through many face to face meetings and countless phone and email communications. We were delighted to discover that the personnel at NRCan (Explosives Branch) were very professional, cooperative and sympathetic to the needs of firearms owners.

Please take the time to thank NRCan Minister Joe Oliver at joe.oliver@parl.gc.ca

Just another example of CSSA/CILA working for you.

FAQ's

Why is the government re-writing these regulations? It is part of a "plain language" re-write of the whole Explosives Act which was written in 1905 and patched ever since. It is almost illegible and the primary concerns regard fireworks and mining explosives. The fireworks are probably the biggest concern as the operators of the countless fireworks displays in Canada simply cannot understand the regulations. As reloading propellants are part of the Act, these regs will be upgraded too as they contain a number of obsolete terminologies such as "reasonable quantity" in a number of places.

What public safety concerns will these new regulations resolve? Explosives Branch has very little concern over handloading activities. Hence, the significantly increased limits.

Why can’t the old regulations fix these public safety concerns? As stated earlier, the old regs are full of "reasonable quantity" type terminology. We all know how "reasonable" can be interpreted by arresting officers and judges and today, there is no"reasonable" in courtrooms or legislation. This re-write spells it out clearly and removes arbitrary interpretation of those terms.

Why will the new regulations will be better for gun owners than the old regulations? Greatly increased limits for all combustible handloading components with the exception of a small reduction in black powder (in multi-unit dwellings), and a much clearer understanding of limits and requirements.

How much it will cost to implement the new regulations? It shouldn't cost anything. Little is required of handloaders that they aren't already doing. As for the government's costs, it would be minimal. There is no new infrastructure or enforcement. http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/2013/1 ... 31218.html


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DOJ may be manned by numerous staff with an Irish Defence forces background :shock: :shock: :shock:

Explosives licensing
Explosive Liaison Officers from the Firearms and Explosives Licensing Department are responsible for the administration and enforcement of the following legislation and are appointed as Inspectors under the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 for this purpose.
The Control of Explosives Regulations 1991 (COER)
These regulations deal with the suitability of a person or corporate body to possess explosives. Any person or body that wishes to acquire and/or keep any explosive that is deemed to be "security sensitive" for example, blackpowder, blasting explosives or detonators, will require an appropriate certificate issued under these regulations. General applications are made using a  COER 1 Form [108kb], whilst those applications for blackpowder only, to be used in firearms or for historical re-enactment purposes must be made on a  COER 1a Form [48kb].
There are two types of Explosives Certificate:
Acquire Only - This is issued to permit a person or company to obtain explosives which are to be used straight away and are not kept overnight. These are valid for up to five years.
Acquire and Keep - This is issued to allow a person or company to obtain explosives and keep them in an approved storage place. These are valid for up to five years.
 You can:
Download a  COER 1 Form [108kb].
Download a  COER 1a Form [48kb].
The Manufacture and Storage of Explosives Regulations 2005 (MSER)
These regulations lay down the requirements for the safe and secure storage of all explosives. In respect of the storage of any explosive for which a certificate under COER 1991 is required the licensing and enforcing authority for MSER is the Chief Officer of Police in the area where the storage takes place. When explosives are to be stored in quantities for which these regulations specify that a registration or license must be in place any application must be made to the police on an Application for Registration or Store Licence under the Manufacture and Storage of Explosives Regulations 2005.
Download an MSER Form [76kb].
The main users of Explosives and therefore those who require licensing are:-
Sporting and Social Use - muzzle loading weapons, re-enactment events
Mines & Quarries - use explosives for breaking up rock and displacing large quantities of earth
Demolition - demolishing buildings

Fees
There is no fee if you are requiring a COER certificate without MSER Registration or Licence.
Advice on the current fees relevant to applications in respect of the above legislation can be obtained from the Firearms and Explosives Licensing Department or by contacting any of the Explosive Liaison Officers.


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Good news Benny for Canadians & UK reloaders. As is the norm elsewhere - "Explosives Branch has very little concern over handloading activities. Hence, the significantly increased limits"



Why is the Canadian government re-writing these regulations?

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Why is the Canadian government re-writing these regulations?


.Persuasive evidence with the backing of the Canadian goverement for "plain language" re-write of the whole Explosives Act which was written in 1905"-
Note: (Irish regulation tends to dates from the black powder era of 1875 )

.The fireworks are probably the biggest concern as the operators of the countless fireworks displays in Canada simply cannot understand the regulations.

.As reloading propellants are part of the Act, these regs will be upgraded too as they contain a number of obsolete terminologies such as "reasonable quantity" in a number of places.

.Why will the new regulations will be better for gun owners than the old regulations? Greatly increased limits for all combustible handloading components with the exception of a small reduction in black powder (in multi-unit dwellings), and a much clearer understanding of limits and requirements.





.How much it will cost to implement the new regulations? It shouldn't cost anything. Little is required of handloaders that they aren't already doing. As for the government's costs, it would be minimal. There is no new infrastructure or enforcement

.What public safety concerns will these new regulations resolve? Explosives Branch has very little concern over handloading activities. Hence, the significantly increased limits


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This - 'Re‐loading -The associations are very concerned with an apparent rowing back on the legislation to allow for the re‐loading of ammunition. This is a very common practise in a great many European countries and while the associations note the reported advice of the AG in relation to this matter, they are not at all convinced that the advice bears close scrutiny.'

Please note for future conversations with ANYBODY regarding the practice of reloading ammunition for your legally-held firearms.

1. Apart from the Republic of Ireland, wherever firearms are held on license - and that really DOES mean ANYWHERE - handloading of ammunition for those firearms is understood to be part and parcel of the license, and requires neither a codicil or a condition to the license. Nor is the firearms licensee required to undertake ANY form of formal training, or to undergo ANY form of supervision while carrying out reloading.

2. In those countries where there is NO formal gun licensing per se, such as the USA, but where firearms of most types are permitted as part of the constitution, there is NO form of licensing reloading whatsoever.

Attention - Archers - Has anybody here ever been asked to produce a certificate of competence or permit to allow them to make an arrow?

tac, safe reloader since the late 1960's.


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Has golf certificates of competence for hitting balls 161 mph hundreds of yards and for the record mighty mike "On September 25, 1974, Austin, then sixty-four, unleashed all hell on the ball, sending it 515 yards before it finally came to rest-sixty five yards beyond the flagstick on the par-four fifth hole. Thirty years later, it's still the longest drive ever."So the AG in Ireland advised the doj on reloading. Ask why the Health and Safety Authority in Ireland weren't asked to make the report. I surmise it's who is in charge rite ?, stepping on toes, all reloading materials guidance on explosive documentation guidelines for the UK is administered by the Health & Safety Executive (HSE) who decides http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Your_Industry/Qua ... xplosives/


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SMLE 303 wrote:
Has golf certificates of competence for hitting balls 161 mph hundreds of yards and for the record mighty mike "On September 25, 1974, Austin, then sixty-four, unleashed all hell on the ball, sending it 515 yards before it finally came to rest-sixty five yards beyond the flagstick on the par-four fifth hole. Thirty years later, it's still the longest drive ever."So the AG in Ireland advised the doj on reloading. Ask why the Health and Safety Authority in Ireland weren't asked to make the report. I surmise it's who is in charge rite ?, stepping on toes, all reloading materials guidance on explosive documentation guidelines for the UK is administered by the Health & Safety Executive (HSE) who decides http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Your_Industry/Qua ... xplosives/



The H & S E does NOT intrude into handloading here in UK expect to advise you to limit the amount of propellant that you have in your possession at any one time.

25kg is the figure - that's 55 POUNDS of propellants.

Nobody - that is to say - no CIVILIAN sportsman handloader on earth needs to keep that amount of propellant.

Look, I reload 6.5, 7mm, 7.5, .308 and .38/357Mag - two different loads of each. To do that I use just THREE different propellant powders. I also shoot BP, but using Pyrodex P [for pistol] and Triple 7 [rifle].

It is ALL kept in my little shed at the back of my backyard.

There are -

1. NO supervisors.

2. NO attendant firefighters.

3. NO security watchdogs.

4. No bunkers/sprinklers/fire alarms/hooters/klaxons/sirens/rotating lights.....

Just me, my reloading gear, and a mug of Timmy's finest double mocha every half hour or so.

Does anybody EVER check up on me to make sure that I haven't exceeded my permitted amount of ammunition?

Nope.

HAS anybody ever......etc?

Nope.

So why, do you suppose, is that?

Well, it's because if we DID, that is called 'breaking the law' and WE are law-abiding citizens. We MUST be - the Home Secretary, via his devolved trust down through the county Chief Constable of Police, has said so, or else we would not have a fireams certificate in the fust place.

So if you have the guns, you can reload for them - simple as that.

In case you are wondering - I'm permitted 700 rounds of each calibre, and 1500 .22RF. Cases, bullets and primers are unlimited, but remember too that IF I had 25kg of primers [they ARE explosive, remember], we are talking about 72,641 of 'em. Incidentally, here in the real world, and empty cases are just that, empty, used, devoid of propellant, primer and bullet. Defunct. A LATE case.

It is NOT classed as a live round.

It IS classed as garbage and can be thrown away into the scrap brass pails, or freely given to a pal who needs them for reloading. I mean, how easy is THAT?


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good news :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxzRy1Tcmp4








ignorance is innocence stupidity comes with experience :shock:


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Backstop Benny wrote:
good news :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxzRy1Tcmp4

ignorance is innocence stupidity comes with experience :shock:


Good one, BB, many thanks for that!

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U Load It. Sensiable method to buy a firearm then learn to reloading, under the same roof, without taking a dedicated course which is not obligatory in Canada or elsewhere.
However, two of Canada's leading shooting associations disputed who between them, secured the new improved regulations with simplified procedures, with an increase in shooters powder that included Black Powder - included with the increased amounts of smokeless propellant.

Quote NFA
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Another organization wanted a compromise that would have severely affected black powder shooters, not realizing that a compromise involving one shooting segment can quickly turn into compromises for all segments. Canada’s NFA quickly contacted the responsible agency and federal minister in charge. As a result, all discussions on this topic were stopped for the time being and the proposed changes withdrawn.


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WHAT IS CANADA’S NATIONAL FIREARMS ASSOCIATION DOING FOR YOU

http://www.pgrgclub.ca/documents/WHATISNFAdoing_000.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/NFACANADA?ref=stream

https://nfa.ca/media-releases?page=2

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So, what do I get for my membership fee?

Apart from providing good reading on firearms issues, promoting firearm education, providing the cheapest and best firearm liability insurance available, and fighting for your rights to enjoy the shooting sports, Canada’s NFA has been working behind the scenes with government representatives to amend existing firearms legislation and provide input on any proposed legislation which will affect firearm owners.
Here are a few of the things Canada’s NFA has done for you:

Fighting Gun Bans and Reclassification

For all intents and purposes the Ruger Mini 14 is a semi-automatic hunting rifle. It is a light handy rifle, convenient for shooters of light build and for storage in a pickup truck or saddle scabbard. Because some in government thought it looked like an assault rifle, there was a concerted effort to have the previous government ban this rifle. The AR-15 was proposed for similar treatment and is now classed as restricted. Canada’s NFA advocated against prohibiting these firearms and proposed bans were halted. Most recently Canada’s NFA has helped fund a court challenge to the re-classification of the Type 97 rifle, and a case on magazine parts. We have also provided case law on self-defense to citizens embroiled in charges related to using a firearm for protection.
Non-explosive reloading components
Bureaucrats were pushing to regulate the non-explosive components of ammunition, that is, metal casings for handguns and rifles, and plastic casings for shotguns, as well as plastic wads used in reloading, all this without knowing what the components were or how they were used. Canada’s NFA advocated against this proposal and was successful.
Reloading at home
Again the bureaucrats wanted to bring in regulations governing the reloading of ammunition at home. Among other proposals was a minimum safe distance between a reloading site and a neighbouring dwelling. In short, these proposals would have effectively banned all reloading at home. Canada’s NFA fought this and won.
Gunpowder and primers
Currently, this this is a dead issue. The last round of talks involved limiting the amount of gunpowder, particularly black powder that could be stored in one place. Another organization wanted a compromise that would have severely affected black powder shooters, not realizing that a compromise involving one shooting segment can quickly turn into compromises for all segments. Canada’s NFA quickly contacted the responsible agency and federal minister in charge. As a result, all discussions on this topic were stopped for the time being and the proposed changes withdrawn.


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tac wrote:
SMLE 303 wrote:
Has golf certificates of competence for hitting balls 161 mph hundreds of yards and for the record mighty mike "On September 25, 1974, Austin, then sixty-four, unleashed all hell on the ball, sending it 515 yards before it finally came to rest-sixty five yards beyond the flagstick on the par-four fifth hole. Thirty years later, it's still the longest drive ever."So the AG in Ireland advised the doj on reloading. Ask why the Health and Safety Authority in Ireland weren't asked to make the report. I surmise it's who is in charge rite ?, stepping on toes, all reloading materials guidance on explosive documentation guidelines for the UK is administered by the Health & Safety Executive (HSE) who decides http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Your_Industry/Qua ... xplosives/



The H & S E does NOT intrude into handloading here in UK expect to advise you to limit the amount of propellant that you have in your possession at any one time.



Shooters' powder includes both black powder and smokeless powder. HSE produced an approved code of practice (ACOP)

The Health and Safety Executive (HSE) have produced an excellent Approved Code of Practice (ACOP) that gives useful guidance and an illustration of the type of box suitable for storage of shooter's powder. The MLAGBis grateful to the HSE for their kind permission to reproduce an extract from the ACOP http://www.mlagb.com/news/legislation/mser2005.htm
http://www.mlagb.com/news/legislation/index.htm

Ken Law Dep. Head, Firearms & Explosives Branch, Lisnasharragh, 42, Montgomery Road,
Belfast BT6 9LD


Legislation

The Manufacture and Storage of Explosives Regulations 2005 (SI Number 2005/1082) came into force on 26 April 2005.

The Health and Safety Executive (HSE) have produced an excellent Approved Code of Practice (ACOP) that gives useful guidance and an illustration of the type of box suitable for storage of shooter's powder. The MLAGB is grateful to the HSE for their kind permission to reproduce an extract from the ACOP which covers storage of shooters' powder.

Keen DIY-ers will want to get busy with saws and hammers, but for those who find hanging a simple shelf something of a challenge, there are excellent ready made boxes available for purchase from powder suppliers. Shop around for best quality and keenest prices!

Health and Safety Executive

A further meeting with the Health & Safety Executive took place on the 28th April 2008 to consider proposed changes regarding the holding of ‘shooters’ powders’. This was concerned almost exclusively with trade-related issues, such as whether the police or the local authority should licence RFDs and those who dealt in shotgun cartridges, and simplified licensing for game fairs. Of interest to shooters, however, was confirmation of the continuation of explosives licenses for shooters (the proposed use of the FAC or SGC as an authority to acquire has definitely been dropped), a much simplified application form, and the continuing acceptability of 1 kg containers for black powder, about which the HSE will advise the police in due course. The existing permitted maximum holdings of ‘shooters’ powder’ remain unaltered, viz. 15 kg of black powder, or 10 kg of black powder and 5 kg of smokeless.

Advisory notes for collectors on the situation regarding ammunition and The Manufacture and Storage of Explosives Regulations 2005 (MSER), The Control of Explosives Regulations, 1991 (COER) and the Explosives Act, 1875, Section 23. Issue 1 - March, 2013.

British Shooting Sports Council

The British Shooting Sports Council is an umbrella organisation representing the major shooting associations in the United Kingdom.

It acts as a conduit between the Home Office and other Government Departments, the Association of Chief Police Officers, the British Standards Institute, the Health and Safety Executive, etc. for the exchange of views and information across the spectrum of sporting shooting. It is now seen as a primary consultee on any issue concerning the sport.


Storage of Shooters' Powder

410 Regulation 5(3)(b) and (c) disapplies separation distance requirements for the keeping of small quantities of shooters' powder. The following section describes the conditions that must be met in order to qualify for the disappliction. These conditions apply to all premises including domestic premises.

411 Shooters' powder includes both black powder and smokeless powder.

412 The powder must be kept in containers with no more than 550 grams of powder per container. The containers must be constructed in such a way that, in the event of a fire they do not provide additional containment that will increase the explosive force of any deflagration. Normally plastic/polythene or paper/cloth containers will be suitable for this purpose. Metal containers with a screw cap, or a push-in lid (ie similar to a paint tin lid) must not be used.

413 Although shooters’ powders are generally not very sensitive to ignition by electrostatic discharge, homeloaders or others who decant the contents of plastic containers must take care to reduce the risk of build up of static electricity. Advice on appropriate precautions may be sought from the manufacturer.

414 The containers of powder must be kept in a box constructed of plywood with a minimum thickness of 18 mm – or material with an equal or greater fire and physical resistance. (Health and Safety Laboratory tests found that 18 mm plywood offered 15 minutes’ fire resistanc; 24 mm plywood offered 30 minutes’ fire resistance).

415 Metal boxes, including ammunition boxes, are not suitable and must not be used. This is because, firstly while metal is fire resistant it also transmits heat very well and secondly, because the metal container adds additional containment that significantly increases the explosive power of the powder. It should be noted that the requirements in this paragraph replace guidance permitting the keeping of black powder in a lacquered or tinned iron or steel trunk or box contained in the publication A Guide to the Control of Explosives Regulations 1991.

416 Where the box holds more than one container, each individual container must be separated by a 6 mm wooden partition that is securely fixed to the outer walls of the box. Each compartment must allow 30% additional height between the top of the container and the inside of the lid.

417 It is a good idea to put an intumescent strip around the edges of the lid to give a good seal.

418 Figure 1 shows a box that would meet the requirements set out in the previous paragraphs.

419 The box should be constructed so that there is no exposed metal on the inside. Internal nuts must be covered by a glued wooden liner not less than 6 mm. The box must not be kept in any form of metal box, drawer or cupboard.

420 The box must not be located:
(a) under or near any means of access or escape, for example under stairs;
(b) in the same room as flammable liquids; or
(c) in areas where there are risks of fire.

Security

Anyone storing shooters' powders must take all due precautions to prevent unauthorised access to the powders.

Storage boxes should be kept in accordance with appropriate security standards.

Where the place of storage is not a secured room, or other suitably secure place, the police will require that the box should meet certain minimum requirements.

These include:
•securely fixed, robust steel hinges;
•a secure hasp used with a security-grade padlock; and
•a suitable arrangement to frustrate attempts to remove the box, for example by securing it by either its handles (if they are bolted through the box) or by a similarly attached ring or other attachement, to a strong point using a good-quality chain or fixing device and padlock.

Please contact your Police Explosives Liaison Officer for more information about security requirement.


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Blackadder wrote:
Summary for the situation in the south of Ireland.



Reloading (Firearms Licensing Conference 2008)
The Chairperson observed that the legislation in relation to explosives is about to be completely overhauled; there is a heads of bill in the Attorney General’s office, and something will be published in due course. The Garda Commissioner has some very strong views in relation to the reloading of ammunition for handguns and the Minister for Justice has taken on board his views.
A delegate observed that while the army doesn’t use reloaded ammunition that reloading is seen as normal in other countries.
The Chairperson observed that a section of the 2006 Act relates to this but it is unlikely to be implemented, one of the main concerns relating to reloading is the storage of powder etc, and this is backed up by the fact that there has been a resurgence of pipe bombs in Dublin recently. Delegates pointed to the ease with which materials for a pipe bomb could easily be purchased in a supermarket and expressed their dissatisfaction with the negative reaction of Department of Justice officials in relation to reloading.
..A delegate noted that reloading is accepted in Australia and in Canada it is considered safe to bring different powders on planes. The Chairperson responded that the job of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform is public safety and security. He noted that if reloading is to be accepted in Ireland the structures must be right. He observed that the main issue is the lackadaisical approach to home storage and a failure of some enthusiasts to appreciate the risks.


•A delegate asked Roger Weedon to elaborate on the regime for reloading in the UK and the regulation of it.
Mr. Weedon responded that currently reloading is acceptable, mainly for target shooters. A large number of target shooters reload.....
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(reply)...a firearms license is the single requirement for millions of EU citizens to reload at home at their leasure which is best practice everywhere.

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Quote - FCP sporting reps ( 2008)

7. RELOADING:
Following advice from the Attorney General, the DOJ had decided to pause for thought on the advisability of allowing the reloading of ammunition in private homes by citizens. The Department has issued a discussion document on the subject setting out the pros and cons from it’s point of view and has invited submissions from the shooting interests.

Re‐loading
The associations are very concerned with an apparent rowing back on the legislation to allow for the re‐loading of ammunition. This is a very common practise in a great many European countries and while the associations note the reported advice of the AG in relation to this matter, they are not at all convinced that the advice bears close scrutiny. This view is held based on what is common practice in a large number of European countries, noticeably without the “consequences” which seem to concern the AG.
ssued on behalf of:

NARGC – Des Crofton – nargc@iol.ie
IFA Countryside – Bernard Phelan – Bernard.phelan@fbd.ie
SSAI – Declan Cahill – shootingsportsireland@gmail.com
Midlands Shooting Centre – John Paul Craven – jpcraven@eircom.net
Countryside Alliance – Lyall Plant – lyall@caireland.org
NTSA – Joe Kinane – joe.kinane@targetshootingireland.org
Liam Crawford – liam.crawford@targetshootingireland.org
Kealan Symes – kealan.symes@targetshootingireland.org
ICPSA – John McCormack – icpsa@eircom.net
Cian Merne
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...some months later - a quote taken from The Chairperson" at the Mullingar Conference (2008)

"Legislation in relation to explosives is about to be completely overhauled"

"A delegate observed that while the army doesn’t use reloaded ammunition that reloading is seen as normal in other countries."

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True what the delegate observed, what is an enjoyable aspect for shooting enthusiasts world wide but here..in the south of Ireland it long became another ongoing bone of contention.
Proably what the delegate was getting at - maybe because explosives section to the DOJ may be manned by numerous staff with an Irish Defence forces background. Soldiers generally have no training or expertise in reloading ammunition for small arms, it should be noted. In this regard, sports shooters are a well known scouce of all knowledge. Without experience gained from a background in sports shooting & relaoding of ammunition, suspision of the unknown will always tend to err on the side of caution saying no, try again.
Maybe a leaf taken from the Canadaian experience, where much of the new Irish Firearms code emerged. Why Canada of all places, the majority of target shooters there opt for taking a resrticted firearms license (PAL) covering both restricted and non restricted firearms - C/F handguns, semi-auto rifles, home reloading and a choice of many firing ranges (no ground baffles) both civilian & military. On the other hand, the North of Ireland, only an hour from Dublin, has over the past 40 years, used a single adderess to administer an efficient firearms licensing regime that works.


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Reloading should be permitted for licensed firearms holders -



Members of authorised ranges- 'honest fee-paying membership' are indeed placed at a distinct disadvantaged compared to their Northern Irish counterparts.
Licensed firearms holders up-there, 'may' custom reload ammunition, for the sake of accuracy, velocity reduction, practice and reduced cost reasons.
Incidentally, cost was excepted as a good reason to reload ammunition, after mature consideration, by a follow-up submission from one of our leading sporting organisation, I believe- this was several years ago, within the timeframe of the new 2009 firearms act.

No strings attached reloading:
Sporting rifle & Target Rifle; for a variety of reasons, may want to reload or for example, to enable the use of an old firearm who's caliber is hard to source here in Ireland.
Black Powder firearms (classified restricted firearm calibers- only in Ireland) for obvious reasons.
Historical centerfire firearms.
Reloading for other shooting disiplins at local level on their 'home range' to perfect marksmanship, in an effort to maybe concider entering competitions, on their 'home range ' and/or for example, make custom precision ammunition for vermin control.


Interesting to hear of a recent small reference in relation to the benefits of reloading custom made ammunition! Apperently as part of a general release submission from a new umbrella sporting body - limited in approach, similar to the 2011 pilot reloading scheme, which has had no reported incidents - as expected with regard to health & safety issues.


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Post Re: EXPLOSIVES ACT UPDATE – GOOD NEWS FOR HANDLOADERS
Blackadder wrote:
... the 2011 pilot reloading scheme, which has had no reported incidents - as expected with regard to health & safety issues.


That's not even funny. I've never heard of anybody EVER having an incident when reloading, and that's going back to the late 1960's in three countries, one of which has a reloading population at least ten times bigger than the population of Ireland.

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29 Mar 2014 17:45
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Post Re: EXPLOSIVES ACT UPDATE – GOOD NEWS FOR HANDLOADERS
Nowadays ordinary propellant is as safe as houses, no problem there, although I've heard it said BP was the smelly one but u get used to it :mrgreen:


19 Jun 2014 11:18
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Post Re: EXPLOSIVES ACT UPDATE – GOOD NEWS FOR HANDLOADERS
Well may you be ever so lucky to get a whiff of it in southern Ireland.

Black powder understandably, is a completely different ball game and needs careful handling. Storage facilities depending on the quantity of propellant, may indeed, need to conform to some very strict guidelines, with regard to separation distance from the nearest dwelling. Commercial quantities of Black Powder & Shooters Propellant, must obviously adhere to these H&S standards, which may entail, building expensive storage facilities.

On the other hand, substitute powders with a burn rate similar to safe smokeless propellant is another much safer option. The storage requirements for a few KGs of propellant has the simple requirement- common sense, a small shed or dedicated space, with the powder container placed under lock and key after use.
At the range, the best place of all to reload ammunition is at the shooting bench. Natural ventilation and plenty of room if the event of a fire.


19 Jun 2014 13:31
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Post Re: EXPLOSIVES ACT UPDATE – GOOD NEWS FOR HANDLOADERS
fresh smooth EXPLOSIVES ACT
gas,flatulence,curries, cow fart explosion :evil:
http://youtu.be/v5YGG2i3BGE

http://youtu.be/DcNVcRK4F4g

http://youtu.be/NVnq4STG4mI


19 Jun 2014 16:19
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Yup, detonation vs deflagration.
The digestive end result under certain conditions is known sometimes to blow apart entire cowsheds. Reloading on the other hand with smokeless propellant, is a relatively safe thing to do :D
http://youtu.be/o1uzjCaU0NE
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When smokeless powder in an approved containers is ignited the container seams split open or lids pop off to release gasses and powder from confinement at low pressure.
When smokeless powder burns, a great deal of gas at high temperature is formed. If the powder is confined, this gas will create pressure in the surrounding structure. The rate of gas generation is
such, however, that the pressure can be kept at a low level if sufficient space is available or if the gas can escape.
In this respect smokeless powder differs from blasting agents or high explosives such as dynamite or blasting gelatin.


19 Jun 2014 20:40
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