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Post What Rimfire Target Ammunition
Tac what sort of price are you paying for Geco R50 per 100, also have you ever found that the cheaper ammo some times shoots better in individual rifles.


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Post Rimfire Target Ammunition
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Tac what sort of price are you paying for Geco R50 per 100, also have you ever found that the cheaper ammo some times shoots better in individual rifles.
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Mick, I paid £6.80/50, but remember that I bought 2500 at a time and it will be more expensive by far now [I just looked, it's £8.50 in most places].

As for shooting cheaper ammunition, well, all seven of my .22 rifles shoot the GECO standard stuff VERY well, so much so that I only shoot the R50 in my Anschutz. No point at all putting it through and 86-yo semi-auto!

Best for 2014!

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Post Rimfire Target Ammunition
I haven't heard of the Geco R50 before i wonder can it be got over here i would like to give it a try i use LAPUA Centrer X in my BSA Martini at 50 meters i get good grouping after the barrel has warmed up, with the exception of the odd flyer i found its the best ammo for the rifle,what do you think of the LAPUA Centre X Tac.
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Post Re: Rimfire Target Ammunition
hawkeye wrote:
I haven't heard of the Geco R50 before i wonder can it be got over here i would like to give it a try i use LAPUA Centrer X in my BSA Martini at 50 meters i get good grouping after the barrel has warmed up, with the exception of the odd flyer i found its the best ammo for the rifle,what do you think of the LAPUA Centre X Tac.
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Dunno, never tried it. One of our members works for RUAG, and arranges freebie shoot-what-you-like days for us every year or so. We can try any and all the ammunition that we like to see what our guns prefer. Since I have seven .22 rifles it can get interesting, but really I only shoot the very good stuff now and then, and only in my Anschutz. I figure that five shots in a raggedy hole at 50m is good enough these days, and three of my other rifles do that with the standard stuff.

My competition days are long behind me, I have to admit, and these days I content myself - competitively - by shooting other folks' guns better than they do....cackle.

I like the stuff that used to be called Lapua SK Match, but it's really greasy, and only useable, IMO, in a semi-auto.

All the RUAG centre-fire is of no interest to me whatsoever, as I reload for my nine other types of ammunition, or cast for the BP.

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Post Re: Rimfire Target Ammunition
RWS- R50 .22 Long rifle (Expensive Competition Grade @ ab € 13,50) producing best results with Anschutz match rifles!

(RWS-Geco) .22 Long Rifle is one of Dynamit Nobel's best value accurate .22lr ammunition made in Germany.
Geco is part of European conglomerate, RUAG Ammotec of Switzerland /Swiss (GP-11 7,5x55) which owns the rights to many brands, along with DAG of Germany, RWS of Germany and MFS of Hungary.

GECO Distributors in Ireland.
http://geco-munition.de/en/distributors.html
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Dereck's Field Sports
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Irish RFD's, importers of firearms & ammunition from Frankonia Germany, stock Geco .22 Target ( see pricing) also concider value bulk buy brand 'TopShot Competition' made by Lapua for Frankonia.de
http://www.frankonia.de/munition-und-wi ... tml#page=2
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Post Re: Rimfire Target Ammunition
Thanks lads for the info, personally I use the Eley green box 6 euro for fifty. I get really tight groups when I use it in my BSA Martini MKIII.


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Post Re: Rimfire Target Ammunition
Sikamick wrote:
Thanks lads for the info, personally I use the Eley green box 6 euro for fifty. I get really tight groups when I use it in my BSA Martini MKIII.


Sikamick



I've used the Eley green box many times the grouping is tight but i have found there is to many flyers,in fact myself and Mick put it to the test one day,we were shooting on two targets we had the target camera trained on the two targets we were shooting on, and sitting side by side we were shooting one shot for one shot it was good fun several lads were standing behind us shooting everyone could see the strikes on the screen as we shot although it was just a bit of fun with everyone looking realy put the pressure on, as we were hitting bull for bull the pressure grew until finally i fell victim to the flyer and Mick bulled it,the master won again,but i have to say it was great fun the banter was good everyone was cheering on the shooters as they watched the holes appear on the targets,until next time the Hawkeye will make a come back.

Kawkeye ;) ;)


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Post Re: Rimfire Target Ammunition
.22LR Rimfire Ammo Comparison Test :shock:
http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of- ... ison-test/

50 Yard

0.162 Eley Tenex Ultimate EPS
0.164 Lapua Midas Plus
0.177 Lapua Polar Biathlon
0.187 Eley Match EPS
0.193 Eley Match
0.203 Lapua Midas M
0.215 Lapua Center X
0.216 Western Value Pack
0.229 Lapua Signum
0.241 Lapua Master L
0.243 Eley Pistol Match
0.256 Olin Ball
0.256 Akah X-Zone
0.261 Lapua Midas L
0.261 Lapua Master M
0.263 Eley Tenex Semi Auto
0.270 Lapua Super Club
0.272 Eley Tenex
0.303 Lapua Standard Plus
0.312 CCI Standard Velocity
0.319 RWS R 50
0.319 Eley Standard
0.328 SK High Velocity
0.339 Eley Club Xtra
0.340 Winchester T22
0.356 Federal Champion
0.362 Eley Subsonic HP
0.371 CCI Mini Mag
0.376 Federal American Eagle
0.377 Norinco Target
0.380 Sellier & Bellot Club
0.384 Eley Club
0.387 Eley Sport
0.388 Totem
0.392 Swartklip Match Trainer
0.398 Federal Gold Medal
0.403 Swartklip HV
0.409 Eley Match Xtra Plus
0.424 Sellier & Bellot Std
0.443 Remington Target
0.461 Lapua Crow HP
0.475 Eley Silhouex
0.479 Magtech
0.498 Eley High Velocity
0.513 Winchester Super X
0.516 Kassnar Concorde
0.539 CCI Blazer
0.560 Winchester Supreme Pistol
0.576 Norinco Pistol Revolver
0.593 SK Standard
0.611 Sellier And Bellot HP
0.626 SK Standard HP
0.686 Logo HV
0.956 Pobjeda Target

75 yard

.274 Lapua Center X
0.283 Lapua Standard Plus
0.295 Eley Tenex Ultimate EPS
0.307 Lapua Midas M
0.329 Lapua Master M
0.346 Eley Match
0.373 Lapua Polar Biathlon
0.399 RWS R 50
0.432 Lapua Midas L
0.448 Eley Tenex Semi Auto
0.467 Eley Match EPS
0.474 Lapua master L
0.491 Eley Match Xtra Plus
0.494 CCI Standard
0.496 Eley Subsonic HP
0.507 Eley Sport
0.512 Federal American Eagle
0.513 SK High Velocity
0.514 Eley Standard
0.516 Eley Tenex
0.516 Lapua Crow HP
0.532 Western Value Pack
0.533 Fed. Champion Target
0.535 Lapua Midas Plus
0.564 Akah X Zone
0.566 Olin Ball
0.573 Eley Club Xtra
0.616 Lapua Signum
0.631 Winchester T22
0.639 Swartklip HV HP
0.641 Eley Club
0.642 Eley Silhouex
0.647 CCI Mini Mag
0.679 Eley Pistol Match
0.682 Swartklip Match Trainer
0.690 Federal Gold Medal
0.692 Remington HV
0.703 Lapua Super Club
0.720 Winchester Super X
0.738 Eley High Velocity
0.759 Kassnar Concorde
0.765 Sellier And Bellot Club
0.770 Winch. Supreme Pistol
0.770 Norinco target
0.775 CCI Blazer
0.802 Norinco Pistol Revolver
0.841 LVE Logo HV
0.855 Sellier & Bellot Std
0.871 Magtech
0.923 Sellier & Bellot HP
0.934 SK Standard HP
1.017 Remington Target
1.257 Totem Standard
1.442 SK Standard
1.578 Pobjeda target

100 yard

0.455 Eley Match
0.510 Lapua Midas Plus
0.549 Lapua Midas M
0.611 Lapua Polar Biathlon
0.611 Eley Tenex Ultimate EPS
0.619 Eley Match EPS
0.622 Eley Club
0.630 Lapua Center X
0.631 RWS R50
0.679 Eley Tenex Semi Auto
0.694 Lapua Midas L
0.729 Eley Tenex
0.739 Lapua Master L
0.753 Lapua Super Club
0.785 Lapua Master M
0.831 Eley Sport
0.851 Eley Match Xtra
0.859 Lapua Standard Plus
0.867 Akah X-Zone
0.877 Eley Pistol Match
0.907 Norinco Target
0.924 Eley Silhouex
0.939 CCI Standard
0.952 Eley Subsonic HP
0.963 Magtech
0.970 Olin Ball
0.978 Kassnar Concorde
0.995 Eley Club Xtra
1.009 Western Value Pack
1.032 Federal Champion
1.087 Norinco Pistol Revolver
1.100 CCI Mini Mag
1.112 Lapua Crow HP
1.143 Winchester T22
1.142 Federal Gold Medal
1.144 federal American Eagle
1.156 Swartklip Hollo Point
1.165 Lapua Signum
1.170 Swartklip Match Trainer
1.175 Fed. Champion Value Pk
1.182 SK high Velocity
1.201 Totem
1.224 Winchester Super X
1.358 Eley Standard
1.367 Remington High Velocity
1.375 CCI Blazer
1.414 Eley High Velocity
1.450 Remington Target
1.504 LVE Logo
1.813 SK Standard
1.879 S&B Club
1.947 S&B Hollow Point
2.073 SK Standard HP
2.221 S&B Standard
2.266 Pobjeda Target


02 Jan 2014 12:39
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Post Re: Rimfire Target Ammunition
Tac could you do me a favour by posting some photos of various ammo groups shot from different .22 rifles shot at your club. I would like to get comparisons.


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This is a 10 shot group I shot with Eley sport green box ammo, 6 euro per box. Rifle .22 BSA Martini MKIII.

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Post Re: Rimfire Target Ammunition
Very nice bit of shooting Mick it just goes to show you dont have to use top of the range ammo to achieve good grouping as i always say to shooters when they ask me what ammo i use "try out different brands of ammo and see what suits your firearm, its not always the top brands that work the best"
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Post Re: Rimfire Target Ammunition
A very interesting list of target tests with various ammo's. Well worth looking down the list of targets in the link below. AccurateReloading.com Tests 55 Types of .22LR Ammo with Bleiker Rifle.

http://www.accuratereloading.com/2009/bl50.html Test 50 yards

http://www.accuratereloading.com/2009/bl75.html Test 75 yards

http://www.accuratereloading.com/2009/bl100.html Test 100 yards

http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of- ... ison-test/

Thanks Benny for locating these links, interesting to see the affect different ammo's have fired from one high quality rifle (Bleiker).

Thanks to Saeed (Administrator) from Accuratereloading.com for the test, much appreciated.


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Post Re: Rimfire Target Ammunition
Great group Tac.

Five rounds of GECO standard [1040 fps/40gr] at 25m -

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Post Re: Recommended ammo for BSA Martini
Both my BSA Martini's - both MkII Intl, like the standard GECO stuff - a lot. Both also like the Eley rifle match, too, bearing in mind that the stuff was actually MADE for the tight-chambered BSA target rifles in the fust place.

The SK stuff is greasy, and the RWS rifle match is too costy, as is the GECO R50. As Rowa notes, find out what YOUR rifle likes - all you have to do is to buy a box of each!

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Post Re: Recommended ammo for BSA Martini
different .22 ammo http://youtu.be/IHJDaHUg2XM
http://youtu.be/iJZOSYAKF-U


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Something different, don't under estimate the little .22.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMun6pVDBzs


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25 Mar 2014 01:15
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"Here is how Eley does it."
Benchrest Central
http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?768 ... -ammo-Eley

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(edgerat)

As related by the great Dan Killough


Tenex, Match, and Team all comes off 6 different machines. Each box is labelled 1011-06031 then below that it will have the velocity. The 1011 is the product code and year stamp. 10 means it was loaded to be Tenex and the 11 means it was made in 2011. Match or Team will probably have the same 10** number to begin with because it was intended to be Tenex, but when testing was downgraded to Match or Team. The 06031 is the lot or batch number. In the U.S. we call it the lot, in England they call it a batch. 06 is the machine number and 031 is the lot. Most competitors would say "I am shooting lot 6031". A lot is produced as long as the machine is running. If the machine is shut down for any reason, then the next time it is restarted, a new lot number begins. Once the ammo is produced, it goes to the test range where it is shot indoors at 50M in 4 different factory Anschutz Rifles. 50 rounds is shot in each rifle for a total of 200 rounds. The group size and average velocity is calculated and if it meets the standard set for Tenex, then it goes in Tenex boxes. If it meets the standard for Match, then it goes into Match boxes. If it meets neither standard, then it goes into Team boxes. The best stuff is in Tenex boxes. Eley will not disclose what these standards are, but they assure me that they are periodically improving the standards. The Match of today would have been good enough for Tenex a few years ago. The velocity on the box is determined from the 200 rounds.

Hope this helps"

Hmmm........ a slight correction of the above is required. (Quote Hambone)

Eley set out to produce Tennex. If the test sample fails to meet the standard deviations set for Tennex the batch goes into Match boxes, if it fails to meet the standard deviations for Match the batch goes into Team boxes. This doesn't mean that only the best stuff goes into Tennex boxes. It simply means that the quaility control mean standards are slightly higher for Tennex and so forth. Based upon a random sample of just 200.

Depending upon the production size of the batch will determine the possible proportion of the rounds that would have passed the Tennex standard. The bigger the batch the greater the % the smaller the batch the smaller the %. Such is the way with set size quality control testing when used as a means of determining quality in regards to volume batch production.The only other way is a predetermined random selection proportional % sample testing procedure.Whilst this ensures a more stringent quality assurance testing process it also adds to production costs. Not something that a manufacture of large volume, low cost per single unit products would be prepared to accept give that they sell all they produce.



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http://www.guns.com/review/2013/05/28/2 ... -invasion/
Tenex production line range
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SK rifle match ( not so greasy range) according to this article in Accurate Shooter, writes Lapua's own brand SK was rated justifiably popular with competitive 22 LR shooters.
"Rifle match .22 LR SK rimfire ammunition is manufactured to strict tolerances. Each individual cartridge is inspected at the factory and fifty cartridges from each batch are tested to make sure that the highest quality rimfire ammunition is reaching the consumer."
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/201 ... wolf-ammo/

'SK Rifle Match' sells in Ireland for about €8.00 per box.

100 yards
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100 yards
Anschutz Model 64 Benchrest (SK Rifle Match) Accuracy Report
http://youtu.be/4yhfhoUiDIU


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Post Re: What Rimfire Target Ammunition
The pricing
Geco hopefully between €5.50 - €6.00
RWS Target €6.50 - €7

Just awaiting final costs
All per box

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I have Winchester subs I got of jk must check what grain they are


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Testing .22 LR ammunition for accuracy and consistency at 100 yards/meters is an effective and worthwhile exercise. It can be useful for determining the right rifle and ammunition combination, before bulk buying .22 match ammunition. The experienced target shooter often chronograph the velocity spread from a selection of ammunition for testing. An alternative method is to extend the target distance out to 100 yards/meters. Depending on wind speed and direction, match .22 ammunition tested in a slight wind is capable of shooting 1-1.5 inch groups at 100 y/m. In no wind conditions, constant small groups of under an inch are usual and indicate the combination of rifle and ammunition was excellent. Ammunition with a wide velocity spread show signs of vertical stringing and flyers, over the longer distance. At 50 meters it might not always be clear why an outer ring low score occurred. Was it down to shooter error or the brand of .22 long rifle ammunition did not suit the rifle?

Recent quick test (from the one box of SK )
Ammunition SK Match .22 long rifle. Lapua owned .22 rimfire factory in east Germany
Distance 100 meters
Target mounted 3" Shoot.N.See
Wind Left to right, speed 0-5mph
Rifle: Single shot vintage 1963 Anschutz Prone Match 54 Heavy Barrel .22 LR
Sandbag and shouldered in the prone position, no rear rest.
Cold barrel 2 shots (first shot clipped the center red, second right of the first)
5 shot group aprox 1/2"

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Bullet coating not too greasy
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