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Irish shooters and their interest in shooting sports 
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Post Irish shooters and their interest in shooting sports
To all that look into this website we thank you and appreciate, to all those that are registered and are members, we cannot understand why you don't comment and add to the information that is on the website. Your sport. Use it or loose it, your choice.Loose your chance to speak on the forum.


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Mick your post is dated September 1st it is now October 26st and this is your first reply WE are doing something wrong and I stress WE because I am with you on the ethos of the VCRAI but we all need to change what we are doing or not doing to advance that ethos. This year we missed a very big opportunity to expand the interest in vintage firearms. We either start meeting again or shut up shop and call it a day. I am a strong believer in people on the ground talking firearms not over the net.

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All post and replys re the vcrai should be made here not on other forums.

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27 Oct 2016 06:58
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Excuse me sir. Are you proposing a general order or directing an advisory in the form of a command ordering all posters here to refrain from visiting other shooting fora?
In all seriousness, such a request almost certainly is destined to fall on deaf ears. Also with regard to personal freedom of expression, enshrined in the constitution, don't expect adherence for such a tall order. A most bizarre request.....


27 Oct 2016 18:37
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Post Bigits ,arsholes and dickheads .
Unfortunately this is where the mutton heads come from, the know it all's, the want to be's, they that know nothing but control OUR SPORT.


04 Nov 2018 03:20
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Post IRISH SHOOTING SPORTS, living or dying.
Dying because of the greed of the hungry bastards, that only want to make money out of our sport.


04 Nov 2018 03:26
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This WEB SITE IS DYING: Not because of the few of us that use it but because of the many that look and say nothing and I am talking world wide viewers.


04 Nov 2018 03:45
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Post Re: IRISH SHOOTING SPORTS, living or dying.
**Rant**

Generally it's dying.

I've given up competitive classic rifle on some ranges because of blatant & persistent cheating & general bolloxing by a minority.

**Rant over**

Harbour House have just begun a Classic League & it is being run properly with rules published & stuck to.

At this stage I generally just go to the range for a few shots and a chat with like minded people.


07 Nov 2018 23:38
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Bunny the sport is dying and I mean the shooting sport of Target Shooting ( Game shooters are still out there in numbers ) Enjoying it ? (why). Target shooting has a small few people that think it's theirs and they will run it. Re Vintage / Classic shooting, it doesn't take a lot of effort to arrange a get together, there's this website, contact friends phone numbers, or e-mail list of friends that are interested in OUR sport (Vintage and Classic rifle shooting). There is still a group of us that get together and shoot OUR competitions on "Official Ranges".


18 Nov 2018 01:47
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Game shooting is f**ked in my area. Ditches/cover bulldozed, wet/boggy land drained & lots of land closed :(

I like to shoot at a few clays only for that I'd sell the shotgun :(

Been too long since we had a meet up & a chat a chara ;)


18 Nov 2018 09:54
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John in your answer you don't comment about target shooting. John a load of crap your speaking about game shooting, it is thriving. Target shooting is dying because no young people are been brought into the sport and the !!!! I want to say this BUT the L t t e H t e s and clunts that want to make money out of the sport block everything. We could go over and over this, at the end of the day, the older people in the target shooting sport must shit or get off the pot. And then it will definitely die. John no disrespect to you in the above but I'm doing my shooting and enjoying it.


21 Nov 2018 03:29
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John I am just listening to this song and I now play it for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqS6LoBa_nQ Please, listen to all the words. Love you friend, Best wishes to you and family.


21 Nov 2018 03:44
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Sikamick wrote:
John in your answer you don't comment about target shooting.


I mentioned it in my original post above ....... not going to say much more as we both knows what going on & what's wrong ;)

Sikamick wrote:
John a load of crap your speaking about game shooting,


:D

No, I'm not :lol: It might be OK in your area but not in mine :(

Sikamick wrote:
it is thriving.


As I said, not where I am, unfortunately.

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Target shooting is dying because no young people are been brought into the sport and the !!!! I want to say this BUT the L t t e H t e s and clunts that want to make money out of the sport block everything. We could go over and over this, at the end of the day,


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the older people in the target shooting sport must shit or get off the pot. And then it will definitely die.


Too many "old farts", & I include myself in that group, have tired & been shit on, including yourself, & now can't be bothered anymore.

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John no disrespect to you in the above but I'm doing my shooting and enjoying it.


None taken 8-) Same as myself doing my shooting, enjoying it & hoping I can continue for along time more


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Sikamick wrote:
.. Love you friend, Best wishes to you and family.


No matter what disagreements we had we always shook hands & had a laugh afterwards 8-)

Best wishes to you & yours too ;)


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:lol: :lol: 8-)


21 Nov 2018 23:59
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Post Re: Irish shooters and their interest in shooting sports
Tac here, after an absence brought on by a mega-hacking that needed a new computer to fix.

I've been reading every post on boards.ie that mentions our site, or the people who write on it and contribute in so many areas of it.....and it doesn't make happy reading.

I've read that the VCRAI is dead in the water, that it's a 'used to be there but now it's gone' site of has-beens.

The fact that we are still here, albeit in reduced numbers, makes this a lie.

Sure, you can say, WTF do YOU know, living almost five or six thousand miles away for most of the time. The miles between us means nothing on the internet, as we all know, and as long as I can press a key, I'll be supporting the aims and aspirations of the original concept - to further the shooting of classic older mostly ex-military rifles and carbines in the Republic of Ireland, and in the part of the UK to the North.

It's over eleven years since the VCRAI was set up, and in spite of many difficulties being put in the way, some of them admittedly insurmountable, we've managed to get some shooting done. If we end up as a bunch of people shooting on different ranges that allow our kind of firearms, rather than having our 'own' range, that's as may be. Here in yUK the Vintage Arms Association doesn't have a dedicated range, but members wear their VAA patch with a certain degree of pride no matter where they are shooting. Remember that we are an Association, not a club - we are not tied down to any specific location.

This site is our sounding board - our means of communication when we have gone our separate ways after one of the increasingly rare formal shoots. As ever, it is down to us to keep it alive, and by doing do, keep the VCRAI alive.

Over to you.


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Sikamick wrote:
Unfortunately this is where the mutton heads come from, the know it all's, the want to be's, they that know nothing but control OUR SPORT.

when the heads outlive their usefulness they're gone, suck you in, spit you out as fast, no matter how long you've been part of their sport


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Not even two weeks ago a couple of the members here, Sikamick and one other, and their English pal from down the road from me, came by for a bit of shooting in our club. Now, as many of you know, full membership of a gun club in UK is a pre-requisite of firearms ownership - well, for target shooting of any kind. You are not a member of a 'range', which is what we call the location that you shoot, but a member of a club that OWNS or leases that range.

My club dates back to the late 1870s, got shut down in 1914 - 1917, and again in 1939 - 45, but is now thriving. There is a waiting list of at least a year for provisional membership, and the club has grown from strength to strength in the last ten years, well over doubling the membership to a figure of around 440 right now.

Why should that be, when, reading from the posts above, clubs in Ireland are disappearing like morning fog?

It COULD be that we are doing it better than you are, but if that is the case, what is it that we are doing that is so different?

Setting aside associations, like our own VCRAI, that USE range facilities but neither own nor lease them, let's just note that the UK DOES have them, too, in large numbers. There is the Muzzleloading Association of Great Britain, the Vintage Arms Association, the Historical Breechloading Small Arms association and so on, but everybody in them is required to have a 'home' club, too. Association membership does NOT entitle you to apply for an FAC, nor is it a legal 'good reason' to own a firearm, no more than being a member of the Automobile Association entitles you to own a car.

So obviously there is something different.

And here, in a nutshell, it is, set down frankly. If this arouses any ire, or you get the grumps from what I have to say, please be my guest, and come back at me saying 'it's
NOT like that at all....' Remember though, that to ME this is just what it looks like.

Nobody in our club of around 450 full members is any different to any other, in terms of membership. You are a full or provisional member, and some are members of the committee that organises the club...that's it. We have personalities, but we don't have cliques, and have not a single prima donna who believes himself or herself in any way superior to the rest of us oiks. Many of us are qualified RCOs, some for both nitro and BP, like me, and share the task of RCO-ing when needed. Some are actually on a roster, but in real terms, all qualified RCO's are able to take over as and when needed. Some, like me, are ex-military, and are PQ'ed - permanently qualified - but others undertake the refresher course at five-year intervals. The NRA course instructor comes to us - it's more cost-effective that way, and we can get fifteen or more qualified together.

And talking about who's who in the club, we have at least three members who are professionally involved in the licensing side of shooting here in UK. They are Firearms Enquiries Officers of the local county police forces, working for the Firearms Explosives Licensing Department of two counties - our club straddles the borders between two counties, y'see. Having them as members is good news, as they see you shooting at first-hand, and are therefore more able to view your application for another gun with favour. Needless to say, they are also government servants, just like the police are, and are therefore not open to bribery or sweet-talking in the form of the provision of favourite biscuits! The firearms licensing system in UK just doesn't work that way. If you are refused an FAC, then it is up to the police to prove why they have taken that course. Same with a shotgun license.

We also have our own tame gun dealers and staff, one of whom is a very well-known target rifle builder and erstwhile UK/GB champion shooter. The other one is a very upmarket dealer and two of his staff are also members. We get a discount from them when buying, as indeed we do from all our local dealers, and again, they have staff members. Because of our connections with the gun trade, we enjoy favourable rates with a number of other specialist rifle builders, and have an annual visit from RUAG [UK] during which we can try out their ammunition - RWS, Lapua and so on, to see what our rifles like, then buy at a good rate. One of our dealers is THE sole importer into the UK of a very well-known brand of specialist rifle, and naturally he is keen to sell his products - but ONLY if somebody asks him. Many of us, me included, would love to own one or more of his rifles, but since they start at around £5000 as a bare gun, to which you have to add stuff like a suitable scope, bipod, moderator - if needed - takers are few and far between. He doesn't care one way or the other. His overall UK sales are BIG.

We DO have some premier-league shooters - two of our .22 prone shooters are in Team GB, we we hardly ever see them as they concentrate their shooting on the indoor ranges of our club, only appearing in the sunlight when they need to practice 50m details.

We are all, by default, in the NRA or NRSA - that's where our membership insurance comes from, formed as part of our annual club fees. Incidentally, our club fees are VERY low compared to any of yours that I've looked at. The Midlands Centre at Tullamore is VERY dear by our standards, but it does offer a remarkable and unique set of facilities of all kinds, and they have to be paid for somehow. Props to them for doing it in the first place, I say.

We just MIGHT also be in an association, too, like I am - the VCRAI in my case. Others, who do other kinds of shooting, might be in BASC - British Association for Shooting and Conservation, or the BDS - British Deer Society. But, TBH, we don't have the huge numbers of other hang-on organisations like you seem to have in Ireland. Reading posts on other fora just makes my head go round with all the acronyms sprinkling the posts, all of who seem to be working in isolation and against the interests of all the others. Perhaps I've got it all wrong, and they really are all 'joined-up' but it sure as heck doesn't look like it to me, and I'm not unintelligent. Considering how small the shooting community really is in Ireland, I'd be accused of exaggerating if I said that there's an association or management group for each and every one of you, but I'm sure you get my drift.

I live in a rural county in the East of England, and in that one rural county there are over 19,000 shotgun licenses shotguns, and almost 2000 firearms licences. Because of the way it works over here where on license covers ALL your guns, only the issuing authorities know how many guns that truly represents, but one shotgun licence = as many shotguns as you care to buy, and one FAC can cover one to maybe fifty or sixty firearms...

All covered by just the four main organisations I've mentioned, and all working together, in concert, to ensure the best for their members, rather than jostling for a superior position in the funding order - and that brings me to the question, IS there any government funding of the shooting sports in Ireland?

I suspect not, else there would not be all the back-stabbing and underhand activities going on that seem to be 'the way that things are done in Ireland'. In our club we raised half the cost of the £300K rebuild ourselves, and Sporting England, seeing the effort we were putting in paid up the other half.

Why?

Because here, although shooting is the 'silent' sport, it brings home the medals and the money. Money from overseas visitors to 'walk the hills' in pursuit of deer, or 'lie their length' at Bisley or any of the other long-range shoots, and in their hundreds, sometimes thousands.

Here in Shooting UK, we all seem to get along just fine with each other, helping and advising when needed without interfering.


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bunny shooter wrote:
I think that ship has sailed never gonna happen here :(


Bunny it's great to see you coming back onto the website again, even if it's only to shaft our thoughts and expectations. One would think you would support a sport that you as a founding member of the Irish Lee Enfield Rifle Association would want reloading for YOUR group.https://www.facebook.com/Irish-Lee-Enfi ... 018284173/

Nothing personnel here, just trying to get what we rightly deserve when a range with a large membership (600) correct me if I wrong and only 40, the chosen few got reloading?????. Stand up and be counted Bunny, am I right.


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