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Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle 
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Post Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
For lack of hassle u would be better off just buying EU deactivation certificate Mausers. https://www.whytes.ie/art/1896-mauser-7 ... offset=499

For a restricted Gewehr 1898 Mauser 7.92mm rifle, the applicant must have good and sufficient reason for requiring such a firearm and must additionally demonstrate that the firearm is the only type of weapon appropriate for the purpose. :mrgreen:


12 Oct 2019 18:51
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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
No more need be said but I don`t really believe the old boys would renegotiate a deal specially for over 308 calibres which surely was a questionable piece of crap

8x57 ammo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtXRnWjFohE


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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
If you are a member of a classic rifle group of any kind, like THIS one, and would like to shoot as GERMAN WW1 or 2 rifle or carbine, then THAT is the reason that there is no other alternative to having what in Ireland is termed a 'restricted firearm'. All German military rifles and carbines were 8x57cal.

Just like wanting to shoot a rifle that resonates with the Easter Rising - a Model 1871/84 Mauser, except that they are just SOOOO HUGE a calibre that simply firing one in the Republic would cause cows to miscarry, milk to go sour and hillsides to become blasted heaths of burnt stubble...

I find it very odd, and very unsettling, that the the guns that bought Irish Freedom are now banned from Irish ownership and shooting.

It reminds me of the old no-so-jokey joke about what happens 'when Freedom comes'.......after a few questions and answers about what we will have and what will we do 'when freedom comes', it ends up with the 'head honcho saying to the audience - 'And what will you DO when Freedom comes? You'll do as you're TOLD when Freedom comes....!

Right.


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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
One of the best I heard was the FCP was like a group of old men that doesn't give a rats arse for the guns of 1916 unless a dealers for obvious reasons was to make an investment importing restricted mausers and wanted the law repealed. How many clays will a Mauser shoot through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ncnLqVvhAw

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18 Oct 2019 17:36
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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
Sad but true when it comes to our historical firearms....

One more clay..can turn a rifle calibre restricted..only in Ireland?
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The above video Ray was a good example of back of the beer mat ballistics. In reality, there are NO EU restriction placed on rifle calibres at all. It would be repulsive of the EU to have attempted upgrading historic calibres to category B or A, and yet, that is exactly what happened here in Ireland back in the dark ages post 2009. Perhaps this was an error of judgment, because we do know first hand from the DoJ themselves, and the Gradai, that they only had recent past history of licensing shotguns and small bolt-action calibre rifles. Therefore the truth of the matter is they 'had to rely on contacts from the within the sport' to supply them with accurate details on firearms and calibres...and on 'anything and everything' over and above. Historical firearms both long and short arms have a wide following across Europe, where there is the kind of respect shown towards such historical arms you would expect. Restricting 'rifle calibres' in Ireland, was more of a tick box exercise with little prior consideration showm, similar to how Olympic (5,000 euro) Crossbows, also became restricted, killing off the sport overnight, when all that was required was proof of a club membership....
another case of the FCP not doing its job.

Where one or two European countries do have a limited restriction on a small number of rifle calibres, normally it is for very powerful long range, heavy calibres.i.e. .338 Laupa magnum and over, up to .50 Cal Browning. Our sporting representatives must be capable of correcting such small errors and/or have the restricted regulation updated with greater clarity with regard to the entries they wish to see restricted, rather than, maintain the crude error of “anything over .308 inch / 7.62mm - restricted only in Ireland.

As for big calibres. There are only a handful of rifles licensed ( less than 10) with calibres ranging from .33inch / 8.6mm and over. Perhaps this was the more realistic cut-off ( if any) , rather than submit the theory of restricting anything over 308 – modern, expensive firearms and ammunition ( 5 euro+ per shot) licensed by a small number for RFDs and wealthy people capable of having their license renewed by a hard nosed Chief Superintendent.

.338 Lapua Magnum / 8.6×70mm
200 grain bullet at 3,360 ft/s
250 gr bullet at 3,030 ft/s
300 gr bullet at 2,780 ft/s


19 Oct 2019 12:16
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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
Is there anything to be said for saying another mass to save the mauser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC_abUffrcE


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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
In UK we can have a muzzleloading smoothbore shotgun - like a punt gun or bank gun - up to 2" calibre. Needless to say, manhandling one of these eight-foot-long muskets into the local corner store and using it to attempt a hold-up is extremely unlikely.

There are, of course, .50cal and .50cal.

The usual .50cal rifle is a percussion long rifle, usually a flintlock, or less commonly, a percussion arm. In either case the calibre is moot, since there is no black powder sports shooting of any kind in the RoI.

The UNusual .50cal rifle is the .50cal BMG, a very high-powered long-range rifle used in private hands as a target rifle of extreme proportions and cost. An acquaintance of mine, who loads [another no-no in RoI except for forty-something people], for this costy beast tells me that it coast around 8eu per shot on a good day, but there are some very expensive bullets out there that can up this to eu17 - per shot. The current UK champion in the British 50cal shooters Association shoots about 1500 - 1700 per year from his five different rifles....

Strange as it seems, we can also own and shoot muzzleloading cannon, although it's another costy sport. And of course, siege engines, like trebuchets...one in Shropshire launches burning cars into the air...no FAC needed, either.


21 Oct 2019 20:15
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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
People will often object to restricting things that are not fully explained. Its a real shame that pretty much everything with the Irish shooting scene is beset with bullshit and back biting.
If I hear a snotty representative telling everybody they are stupid don't be contradictory "who gives a shit" to do with obviously important stuff like the "guns that bought Irish Freedom are now banned" I am going to puke :mrgreen:


25 Oct 2019 10:08
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One day perhaps a few more historical users should get to enjoy occasionally firing these old Mausers, without the unnecessary restricted fuss, imposed by this author suspected of having one too many in the snug. Considering that the countries first finance minister and general in charge of mayhem, went to great efforts in the purchase and landing of thousands of these Mauser rifles, pistols and ammunition, only to discover, fast forward one hundred years later, someone made an historic error of judgment. For the average Joe the error turned into more of a ban when attempting to renew or license one of these vintage and classic German Mauser rifles after the 2009 licensing changes were enacted. It is something the UK licensing regime failed to impose on its former enemies vintage long arms, and classic WWI and WWII bolt-action rifles, without ever deploying this strange over 308 inch restricted control.


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I just have to sniggle at little bit - so great is the knowledge of 'firearms experts' in the RoI that they have somehow totally overlooked that .308 is not the diameter of the 'hole' but the distance across the grooves, and that EVERY Lee-Enfield rifle every made is actually AT LEAST .311cal...some older WW1 rifles are .314cal.

Don't forget, too, that '...the .303 is FAR too accurate to be allowed in civilian hands.......'.

You really could NOT make this shite up.


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[quote="tac" EVERY Lee-Enfield rifle every made is actually AT LEAST .311cal...some older WW1 rifles are .314cal.

Don't forget, too, that '...the .303 is FAR too accurate to be allowed in civilian hands.......'.

You really could NOT make this shite up.


That old chestnut was an actual true story apperently. The Lee Enfeld in question was too accurate to license, said the Superintendent, from his experience in the old FCA (army reserve)
The applicant for the next meeting decided to bring an expert, who did not hesitate to responded in kind. Did the Superintendent want to license rifles with a bent barrel. No he said, and with that, granted the license.

As for the above, simpler to have amended & assigned by calibre, historical firearms and ammunition here: EU.Cat [C] / Canadian / IRL non-restricted..../ all Classic Rifle calibres .30-32 cal, are similar as to make no difference....etc.
One or two senior members on the FCP certainly did receive the full implications on this matter. The unforeseen dangers laid bare for practically every vintage (pre -1900) antique firearm. The greatest visual effect was on mostly classic rifles, especially, the much loved and highly regarded .303 British Lee Enfield rifle. It held a great many fond memories for those veteran members that served in the FCA reserve, who currently now occupy senior positions in the Gardai, serving Politicans and in the Judiciary. They still keep the love for the .303 (post 1900) bolt-action rifle. When it became obvious the extent of what was contained in the 2009 S.I., any number of get away with that expletives were given... it can't be true moments,...until eventually, we will be back and they were. They investigate further. Some time later the word was, it was safe to carry on, go by the nominature inscribed on the reciever. For some unknown reason the goodwill nod was never extended to the Mauser. Every blackpowder rifled firearm, from, the cap & ball, percussion loaded, antique reproduction, revolvers and single shot rifles, this and that, anything over 308 inch, thereafter became a restricted and banned weapon. The parting opinion on the matter was that everything else had to wait, until the FCP, one day should amended the error. That was over ten years ago and counting...
Wikipedia, Goodle it, ask the experts who should of fact checker it, before the 2009 S.I. was a twinkle in the eye of the FCP.


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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
Gobshites, all.


26 Oct 2019 14:07
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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
Would history tell a different story if the FCA in a particular emergency made mausers available for the reserves


26 Oct 2019 18:32
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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
tac wrote:
Gobshites, all.

quote="Blackadder" The unforeseen dangers laid bare for practically every vintage (pre -1900) antique firearm.[/quote]

What's going on in some person's mind they want "practically every vintage firearm" banned :mrgreen:


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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
The decision recommending the restricted list of firearms and ammunition was taken a year or two before 2009. Examples of beer mat communication, reporting what was to be throw under the bus....should be considered with caution.

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It does however raise the question why specifically German military rifles dating from (1871 -1898) the Masuer C96 Broomhandle and Luger pistol, casually became restricted/banned. To step back further, to a time when Ireland was among the international experts in long range calibres, above .308 inch. Blackpowder antique/reproduction firearms remain an active part of sport shooting, as does, historical 1,000 yard vintage match, competition shooting, last seen in Ireland (no pun intended) 'over'.. one hundred years ago. Another fine example asking why the FCP failed to do its job. The whole arrangement is a bizarre one, i.e., (40 granted reloading) to the point of saying another mass has to be taken seriously...


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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
The requirements for hunting deer are based on the performance of the ammunition not the calibre. Sounds like you're plagued by a wannabe calibre expert without expertise :mrgreen:


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Post Re: Irish restricted license for a 7.92 Mauser rifle
Calibre is the quality of someone or something, especially someone's ability


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